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Having recently acquired X-wing I figured I'd really like to make something as a break in between Old West stuff.
It's probably fairly obvious what this will end up as!
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o_o. Nope
cheers
James
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o_o. Nope
cheers
James
An unfinished pile of crap obviously! lol
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"Cover me Red 2. I'm going in" ?????
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I'm going to try (I know, there is no try!) and make an asteroid base as scenery and as a mission objective.
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A one balled egg box with a cocaine habit? Sure I saw one in Jabba's palace.
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I'm going to try (I know, there is no try!) and make an asteroid base as scenery and as a mission objective.
Aha! Now you've said that it all makes sense :D
cheers
James
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Having recently acquired X-wing I figured I'd really like to make something as a break in between Old West stuff.
It's probably fairly obvious what this will end up as!
That way distraction lies.....
Concentrate you must!
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I figure it should be a relatively quick build (for me at least). I can use it as a fighter station, a research station, a prison, etc.
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Not a great photo but it gives you a little bit of an idea of what is intended.
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Very interesting ...... 8)
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Looking forward to seeing the results. I that a ceiling light holder at the base of the tower?
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Looking forward to seeing the results. I that a ceiling light holder at the base of the tower?
Yes it is. Apart from the blue foam it's all scrap and off cuts.
The top section could be a command / traffic control area, the large dome might be a shield generator, the circular LZ is for fighters and the larger one for shuttles, etc.
Not sure what to do about armaments yet. I'm not buying anything for this, it all has to be stuff I have that I'm not using for anything else.
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Well, that's not what I though you were going to do o_o
Looking forward to seeing it progress :)
cheers
James
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That way distraction lies.....
Concentrate you must!
Learning to play the game first you should. Having a couple of dogfights you may. "Prepainted" miniatures shall allow you to do so without scratchbuilding spoil heaps...
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Learning to play the game first you should. Having a couple of dogfights you may. "Prepainted" miniatures shall allow you to do so without scratchbuilding spoil heaps...
To be honest I just fancied building something.
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To be honest I just fancied building something.
The path to the dark side that is...
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini2011/MiniaturenfotosOriginale742_zps47f68a5b.jpg)
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Follow this I must, several 1970s SW kit bits collected I have, for something similar in mind I had, with turbo laser turrets :)
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That way distraction lies.....
Concentrate you must!
I don't know if this has already been posted but I always find this relevant in all things X-wing.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t75/Fredejensen/xwing-mistakes-made_zpsf3nrpou0.png) (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/Fredejensen/media/xwing-mistakes-made_zpsf3nrpou0.png.html)
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Keep it coming. I have a similar idea for the x-wing game.
I even started to look for suitable figures and buildings. o_o
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I've almost finished assembling the random bits of junk on this. I'm just working on the asteroid bit itself, which is quite awkward as it's always going to be contrived and abstract. Various bits of blue foam have been glued together and have been drying overnight prior to being filled to create the edges of the partial crater. The look is inspired by the Star Wars Rebels episodes on the abandoned clone asteroid base (just getting in to this with my 3 year old!).
No photos yet as i) bad light and ii) it still looks kind of infant school project lol I'm hoping this will improve with paint!
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All sounds great Steve 8)
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Thanks Steve. At least the foam seems to have stuck. I was using watered-down pva last night and I ended up pinning every single tiny piece with cut down cocktail sticks to stop them sliding around.
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Looks like a great project Steve...will you be adding filler on top of the foam to strengthen it?
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Looks like a great project Steve...will you be adding filler on top of the foam to strengthen it?
Yes, that's the plan. I need to pick some up today.
My 3 year old technical consultant has just pointed out that there are no guns!
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Nice!
Lots of interesting features (just needs guns lol) 8)
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The shuttle and fighter pad is on one side of the control tower and the larger ship pad on the other side. Not sure where to put guns or what I'm going to make them out of!
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Nice!
Lots of interesting features (just needs guns lol) 8)
Agreed!
Great use of junk.
8)
I bet your missus is well pleased with you, keeping all these odd bits of plastic to make 'stuff' with.
:D ;)
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Looking really good, most excellent advice from your military and base planning advisor :)
Are you going to put this on flight stands or will it "rest" as it is on the table? I'm thinking of making a sort of underside for the asteroid and put it on the flight stands.
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I bet your missus is well pleased with you, keeping all these odd bits of plastic to make 'stuff' with.
:D ;)
It's all in a 'Really Useful Box' which apparently is OK as it's tidy and it matches the others! lol
Looking really good, most excellent advice from your military and base planning advisor :)
Are you going to put this on flight stands or will it "rest" as it is on the table? I'm thinking of making a sort of underside for the asteroid and put it on the flight stands.
I'm torn between mounting it on flight stands and leaving I flat. I may allow for both options. I don't want it to be too high so that a Raider or something could dock (if I ever got one! :D).
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I may have to get myself something of this sort... :D
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This is looking good matey. Looking forward to seeing it painted up.
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Looking very promising mate 8)
Couple of turbolasers and you're there :D
cheers
James
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Looking very promising mate 8)
Couple of turbolasers and you're there :D
cheers
James
Cheers James. I'm wondering on whether to put the lasers on the sides or underside of the asteroid if I raise it off the ground.
Edit: I remembered some toys from the 80s I had that were clip together sci-fi kits. I've kept them incase they ever came in handy. Having found them in the attic they will make serviceable lasers and I may even have found the refuelling equipment I wanted for huge ship access.
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Just place them anywhere you don't want ships to approach :D
cheers
James
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Just place them anywhere you don't want ships to approach :D
cheers
James
The funny thing is I'm now thinking about firing arcs and blind spots and so on. Or rather 'overthinking' them. If I'm going to use it in X-Wing there needs to be some sort of rules for its use.
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The laser turrets are on and a few other odds and sods too. I've also lifted it off the ground. I think it looks better. I can start using the filler over the foam once the glue dries then it's on to painting. But what colour? I'm thinking grey but I'm very tempted to go with a white scheme.
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Filler over the blue foam - check
Toy guns added so I don't have to stick bits of old pens on and pretend they're lasers - check
Filler dry so I can undercoat - nope
The grey tube is supposed to be for refuelling larger craft, by the way.
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Looking good 8)
Will the base colour of the base be different from the asteroid's base colour?
And what about the range of those laser turrets, are they able to cover all the approaches? :)
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I'm urging the filler to dry as I want to see the paint go on! 8)
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Looking good 8)
Will the base colour of the base be different from the asteroid's base colour?
And what about the range of those laser turrets, are they able to cover all the approaches? :)
I'm thinking either a dark grey for the asteroid and white for the base, or a grey-brown for the asteroid and a contrasting grey -black for the base.
The guns still move in the mountings. The elevation can change and they can swivel 360 degrees, though I'm sure they would have limiters fitted to stop them hitting the base. The three gun's arcs overlap too.
I'm urging the filler to dry as I want to see the paint go on! 8)
Thanks Steve. I still need to decide on colours.
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Looking good 8)
Might I suggest a grey/brown for the Rock and a very light grey for the base?
cheers
James
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Sounds great on the guns :)
Both colour choices are quite fitting, would be hard to choose between the two.
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Looking good 8)
Might I suggest a grey/brown for the Rock and a very light grey for the base?
cheers
James
I do like the grey-brown idea for the rock. I'll undercoat tonight in a grey primer.
Sounds great on the guns :)
I'm not sure how it will work in game terms yet though.
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I'm not sure how it will work in game terms yet though.
Here's a discussion regarding turbolaser turrets on BGG, haven't tried anything myself though:
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/936237/standard-rules-turbolasers
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Looking good, mate.
I like the various bits of 'tidy junk' that you have assembled, it should all work really well when coloured in.
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I see that you even have a 'tray'.
Jeff will be pleased.
;) ;)
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That's coming along nicely - hurry up and get some paint on it! :D
I see that you even have a 'tray'.
Jeff will be pleased.
;) ;)
So will Mr Stephens
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What, Mr Stephens in catering?
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Here's a discussion regarding turbolaser turrets on BGG, haven't tried anything myself though:
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/936237/standard-rules-turbolasers
That's really useful. The concept garnering most favour seemed to be this one from Rogue 13:
Turbolaser Battery
Hull: 4
Agility: 1 (to represent plating, and this increases to 2 at Range 3)
Attack: 3* at Range 2-3
Actions: None
*Attack: This attack rolls 3 dice, but must score three total uncancelled [HIT] and/or [CRIT] results against the target in order to hit. If this attack hits, the target takes five critical damage.
So, what this means is that it's unlikely for the batteries to hit X-Wings (the battery has to roll all three hits without TL or Focus and the X-Wing has to throw all blanks on its defense), but if it does the X-Wing is destroyed outright, barring Shield Upgrade. It's slightly easier for the batteries to hit Y-Wings and the YT-1300, though they can survive a single hit.
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That makes it fairly devastating if it hits so it might force attacking players to carefully consider their attacks. I'm assuming that as it states ranges 2-3 only, range 1 is considered to be outwith their firing arc? Five criticals for a hit is brutal though. As my lasers are singlely mounted I'd probably reduce that.
Another gamer said that he has multiple activations at different skill levels during a turn. The trick will be ensuring that gameplay is balanced.
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Those rules sound very interesting.
And the base is looking very nice. :-*
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Thanks. I also found this on Boardgamegeek:
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That's a good one too.
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I decided to brush a layer of black paint over all the filler, blue foam and white polystyrene just to make sure the spray primer won't ruin it. It'll get primed tomorrow. I'm really leaning towards the grey-brown with light grey look.
As regards the gameplay I'm thinking pilot skill 0 to ensure that it fires after most of the more agile ships, allowing them to get their attack in first; probably firing at 180 degrees. It would make sense that small ships are hard to hit but easy to damage, large ships are easier to hit but harder to damage, and huge ships are easy to hit but hard to damage. I'll need to figure out how this will work in practice though as I don't want loads of special rules. It would also be good to allow for the base to be shielded with direct, sustained attacks on the shield generator (probably the big ball) required to drop them.
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All very interesting Steve. 8)
I take it the base will have various cards rather than just one card for the whole thing?
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All very interesting Steve. 8)
I take it the base will have various cards rather than just one card for the whole thing?
I'm not sure yet. I did think that it might be one card covering the shields, overall hull, attack info, etc. but that each laser would roll it's own attack and have its own hull points. Once they're knocked out they lose their attacks leaving the station vulnerable.
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A Ion cannon would also be interesting for a base (like Hoth).
Keep it coming. You´re giving me some ideas. :D
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I'm not sure yet. I did think that it might be one card covering the shields, overall hull, attack info, etc. but that each laser would roll it's own attack and have its own hull points. Once they're knocked out they lose their attacks leaving the station vulnerable.
Interesting 8)
I think I'm going to give cards to different sections, though I really like the idea of the shield being taken down for the whole base.
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Interesting 8)
I think I'm going to give cards to different sections, though I really like the idea of the shield being taken down for the whole base.
I'm not sure how to work it out yet. Do the shields have to be dropped before the lasers can be hit, for example? I'm assuming the shields are a combination of ray shield to defend against lasers, etc and particle shields to protect against debris in the asteroid field and to prevent unauthorised ships from landing. There are lots of examples of particular areas being covered by separate shields so perhaps the lasers have a localised ray shield with one or two shield counters, like a small ship, while the wider base is covered by a larger series of shields with a higher rating but all powered by the main shield generator. It would be no different to different electrical circuits in a house being isolatable with their own fuses in a consumer unit. Individual fuses could be tripped but if the consumer unit goes down everything goes with it.
A localised ray shield could also allow the lasers to fire outside of the main shields. The base would also have fighter support but would have to turn off the landing zone shields in order to scramble. This might make a base a little bit like a huge ship in terms of damage. In this case there would be two laser turrets, one laser turret with a refuelling line, a fighter landing pad, a large ship landing pad, a deflector shield generator and the central base area (comms, command and control, etc), so seven distinct areas. I quite like the idea that the base could use some of the crew cards too (equipping a laser turret with Gunner, for example). This might make the idea of separate cards work better; say one per turret and one for the main tower?
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Lots of thinking going on there Steve! 8) 8)
With regard to your last para especially, in my head an asteroid base IS in effect a large ship, which is what is guiding my thinking :)
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very nice idea and building!
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Steve, the more I think about it the more I'm thinking of replicating the relevant elements from the huge ships. Currently I'm looking at a main base card for the control tower and the deflector building (the central buildings) and at least a hull and shield value for the two landing pads. The lasers could simply use the existing 'Single Turbolaser' card that comes with some of the huge ships, though each one would have its own hull and shield value. Dropping the man main shields would knock out all other shields, but it would have a value comparable with a huge ship, so probably about 6. The turrets would have a value comparable with a small ship, with the landing pads perhaps slightly higher. The landing areas would have to turn their shields off to release or accept fighters.
Using the existing single turbolaser card would mean the the base would generate energy as per the huge ship rules so the lasers would have to be charged. That might make them less devastating. The main base could probably take at least two crew cards too.
Just some more thoughts while the primer dries.
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That all sounds good Steve though I have to caution that I haven't got too much into the rules for weapons and such as I'm going to be playing something much simpler. Sacrilege I know! :o
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That all sounds good Steve though I have to caution that I haven't got too much into the rules for weapons and such as I'm going to be playing something much simpler. Sacrilege I know! :o
I'm quite keen to use as much of the relevant stuff that's out there already. I like the idea of the base player having to think about keeping the guns charged, etc. I'd love to make my own cards but have neither the software nor the skills!
Edit: the only problem is that the single turbolaser has a 3-5 range, which means it's going to be easy to get inside them. A range of 2-4 would be better.
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The primer brings the various bits together a bit better.
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Wow, great work so far! :o I'll echo Mr. Bibbly, I can't wait to see this beast painted.
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That is coming along 8)
I like the turbolasers rules from that thread as well, almost impossible to hit but when they do... BOOM :D
cheers
James
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Cheers James. Not up to your standard (or Andy's) but I'm happy with it so far.
I like the 'double your agility' rule with the single turbolaser, fast ships can evade unless they make a particularly bad roll but flying space bricks are much easier targets. Putting crew on would be good too.
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That is starting to really look good now, mate.
8) 8)
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To create your own pilot and ship cards:
http://cardcreator.atelierdufaucon.com (in French)
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To create your own pilot and ship cards:
http://cardcreator.atelierdufaucon.com (in French)
Ooh, that's got a lot of potential!
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Lovely. Proper scratch building. I used to love building stuff like this as a kid....although I suspect the finished result will be a goo ddeal better. :D
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Thanks Harry. I ran out of primer so had to wait until last night to finish the undercoat. I'm sorely tempted to try my airbrush out on it though I have little experience with one.
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It's a good model to try it out on though.
cheers
James
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Just found this............what a great idea. I'm away from home at the moment (visiting the Grim North) but on my return to the Shire I will be searching through the man-drawer for suitable parts. Thanks for the inspiration, looking forward to seeing this painted, great work.
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Thanks, it's a lot of fun building from junk. Trying to imagine how you could use something is one of the best bits (from The grim North! :D)
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Looking great sir....
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Not sure about the painting.
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I think that looks good mate! 8) I'd be really happy with thst result!
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I like it. Perhaps a bit of weathering would be in order.
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I was concerned it might look like a pile of junk glued together but I think it has come out looking rather nice. I like your painting.
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Excellent! :-*
Maybe indeed some weathering here and there.
Then some led lights... :)
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Works for me mate 8)
I'd go with weatherig as well. Also some markings for the landing pad :)
cheers
James
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I like it. Perhaps a bit of weathering would be in order.
Yep, agreed definitely some weathering and as Bibbles says some landing markings. Otherwise top stuff. :)
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Well done Steve 8)
Agree with last couple of comments about weathering and decals, as that is what I'm used to seeing in the movies. ;)
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It looks great, Steve.
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A couple of decals followed by a few diluted ink washes and a bit of gentle drybrushing is all it needs to bring it up to 'film' standard and you are there, mate.
8) 8)
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Looks very good Steve. :-* :-*
Just a little weathering and you´re done.
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Thanks for the encouragement guys. I did weather it rather too heavily and then repainted it but you're right, it needs some. I tried to paint some landing markings in yellow and cocked it up! Templates are probably the way forward. Anyone have any suggestions?
For the weathering would you go with a thin black ink wash or a brown?
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Thanks for the encouragement guys. I did weather it rather too heavily and then repainted it but you're right, it needs some. I tried to paint some landing markings in yellow and cocked it up! Templates are probably the way forward. Anyone have any suggestions?
For the weathering would you go with a thin black ink wash or a brown?
To be honest I would use pastels or weathering powders for the weathering and only a few thin black washes on the pad as Paul mentioned.
As to the landing markings, get a decent, thin masking tape and use that along with your airbrush but try it our on a scrap bit of material first. Time taken getting the mask right will heap rewards later on :)
cheers
James
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Dont panic about overdoing the washes a little bit as drybrushing will take that down if you need to.
The secret to drybrushing is VERY dry layers.
Make sure that you have VERY little paint left on the brush, use an old bit of cardboard or similar to make sure almost all the paint is off of the brush.
A little bit at a time and build it up, dont try doing it in one go.
Patience, young Padawan!
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Thanks for the tips. I think I have some Tamiya weathering stuff in a small 'make-up' style kit.
I was concerned it might look like a pile of junk glued together but I think it has come out looking rather nice. I like your painting.
lol thanks. I was thinking the same for a while!
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Most people when they drybrush, drybrush up! What I mean by that is they normally do it with lighter colours than the base colour. Have you ever tried drybrushing down? Drybrush darker colours not the recesses? I tend to use a leathery brown colour or a dark brown maybe going on black. For dusty environments, use a sandy colour. You can also drybrush stains down from certain points.
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Cheers Andy. I've been trying to figure out exactly how an asteroid base sitting within a shielded environment would weather? I can see the landing areas getting damaged and stained but what about the main buildings which would have a shield to prevent damage from debris?
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Dont overthink it too much, mate.
Just slap some dirt on it.
;)
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Cheers Andy. I've been trying to figure out exactly how an asteroid base sitting within a shielded environment would weather? I can see the landing areas getting damaged and stained but what about the main buildings which would have a shield to prevent damage from debris?
lol
I started to go down that route but stopped myself! So how does dust accrue when there is zero gravity? How do Starfighters leak oil? That's why I said about the movies earlier: they weather sci-fi stuff presumably because it fits with what we're used to seeing on planet earth. I'm sticking with movies for the style cue.
Also a big fan of the dry brushing with darker colours that Andy mentions: I tend to do it to rocks.
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A busy outpost on the edge of Imperial controlled space.
Apologies for the terrible phone app cloning of the mat, but it's too small for the 3'x3' mat!
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Wow brilliant :-*
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Superb, the weathering has finished it off perfectly.
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Brilliant Steve 8) and bigger than I thought!
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Spot on mate 8) 8)
cheers
James
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Yep, that looks the nuts, mate.
8) 8)
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Cheers guys. The painting looks a little rough in the photo. I think I'd need at least a 4'x4' mat to use it. It hasn't cost me anything really though, just stuff I already had.
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Well done Steve. :-* :-*
I was with one of those Tie fighter transports in my hand yesterday but i was abble to resist it. :D
I ended up buying a Lambda shuttle instead... :?
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Cheers!
I got it at a very good price indeed, over 30% off (yup, still trying to justify it!). I'd still like a shuttle too.
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Very nice, it looks great.
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very nice indeed
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Looks fantastic! Brilliant job. Got a feeling I might be trying something similar having seen how good yours looks :)
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Thanks everyone. I still haven't quite decided how it will play in a game but I'm thinking that it'll have three single turbolaser cards plus a shield and hull rating for each battery, for each landing pad, for the control area, and for the shield generator. That should allow attacking players to determine their own strategy rather than just a headlong rush to damage the station. Do they take out the guns first, hit the shields. Etc
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You can also put a rule to roll each x turns for reinforcements to help defend the base, and how many ships come.
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Excellent! :-*
Just run few games with it and I'm sure the rules will smooth out with playing the game.
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Excellent! :-*
Just run few games with it and I'm sure the rules will smooth out with playing the game.
You may also be surprised just how much plonking something of that size on the table will affect the combat between other ships, even without making rules for it.
We played on Friday using some rocks as obstacles, which certainly made for a more fun and thought provoking game than a 'flat' playing field.
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A triumph my good man! A real treat watching this come together. :)
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Looks great!
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Excellent Steve! That turned out grand! 8)
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Cheers guys. I just need to decide how I'm going to do the landing pad markings (as in what form they'll take).
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Something like this maybe...
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk138/jimbibbly/Star%20Wars/cd0335bd878dffaf99b179262d6e7661_zps5959d21b.jpg)
cheers
James
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Cheers guys. I just need to decide how I'm going to do the landing pad markings (as in what form they'll take).
Imperial crest...?
:D
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Thanks for the tips. I like the idea of the guide lines, perhaps running back into the main building.