Ogrob's medievals for SAGA. V&V and Victrix muslim heavy cav compared 21/9

[Knight-Captain Tyr]

This is fantastic - I somehow hadn't seen most of these Reconquer sculpts. Can't wait to see what you do with them.

[Ogrob]

This is fantastic - I somehow hadn't seen most of these Reconquer sculpts. Can't wait to see what you do with them.

Most are recent releases, Henry and his banner and the light cav are from his June release. There are some lovely knights from August that I want to pick up too.

[Ogrob]

A small update, mostly for completeness. Studio Historia threw in a number of duplicated of the 14th century sergeants/spearmen. Funnily some scultps were duplicated more often, and others not at all. One of them I received five copies of!

Anyway, I was able to make up an additional 8 man unit without replicating any sculpts more than a second time. I decided to equip these with the variety of swords, maces, falchions and axes I had received.

[Ogrob]

While I did get a lot painted over the summer, it feels like I spent more time planning projects and waiting for orders to arrive. The big one was of course the Studio Historia order that finally showed up last week, but today I received the last two packages I have been waiting for. One from Direforge, ordered early July, and one from Stronghold Terrain, which to be fair I ordered just the other week.

Some more reinforcements for the Muslims:


And then from Direforge, a number of Medbury Miniatures. First, his Geoffrey de Charnoy sculpt. I think I will paint this to use as a Knight mercenary.



A couple more light cavalry. I couldn't resist the two knuckleheads arguing over directions to the next raid:


And finally, two sets of Pavisiers plus some command figures. I had planned to use these to supplement my Reconquer sergeants, but as Studio Historia gave me plenty extras there I have more regular Warriors than I need. Instead I think I will keep the pavises and replace my metal Claymore pavisiers with these. I just really prefer materials that don't chip during handling. To get a full unit of 12, max in most SAGA Chivalry armies, I added three more spare Reconquer sergeants. I also used North Star spears on these over printed spears.

[Ogrob]

Starting to get some of the 3D prints painted.

These are Reconquer's early 14th century knights, plus two versions of his Roger di Flor and one Baron Ermengol X. Decided to paint these in my mercenary colour scheme, as their appearance makes a nice contrast to the other knigths I have who are more mid/late 14th. Perhaps they are poorer landless knights still wearing old equipment, struggling for money or travelling to Spain as a form of crusade.


And then Almughavars. They will make excellent Bidets, terrain expert skirmishers:


Miniaturas Ezipion's King Pedro the Cruel plus the foot version of his Castillian Knight sculpt. A nice option for a warlord when I don't want a diorama base. He is on a 50mm sabot for flexibility.


What do you think?

[Little Odo]

Looking good so far. I like the way that the colour scheme allows both the units and the leaders to be readily identified but not appear to be too uniform between the actual units.

[Ogrob]

And we are back! I got paint on figures over the weekend:

8 Jinetes by Reconquer designs


Two Medbury sets; sergeants arguing over directions and a mounted command group:


They join my peviously painted Medbury Hobelars and two of Reconquer's gambesson-wearing knights to form my current contingent of light cavalry (warriors with mounts in SAGA terms):


What do you think?

[Ogrob]

I did in fact finish a few more figures over the weekend. Turns out painting light cavalry is a fairly long and tedious task with all their layers of cloth and armour. In between I put some paint on a couple of hero figures as well.

This is Medbury's Geoffroi de Charny. As I already have a ton of warlord-esque figures I painted him in my mercenary scheme, and he will do nicely as a Knight mercenary. One downside of 3D prints is I already managed to snap the lance on the mounted version and when I tried to drill the hand out to insert a new one it shattered. I should be able to replace it nicely with a bit from Perry's agincourt set so not to big an issue.


And speaking of Warlords, Reconquer's version of Bertrand de Guesclin with squire. A very nice figure in my opinion. I even painted eyes for the first time in a long time.


What do you think?

[Ogrob]

For most of my Muslim cavalry I will be using Victrix figures. V&V only offer their command set as far as muslim cavalry goes, which doesn't go very far toward making any units of heavy cavalry.

After a bit of planning I realised that possibly the best way to build my first 12 victrix heavy cavalry is to make four with hand weapons and shields, four with composite bows and four with hand weapons and shields, but carrying composite bow and arrow quivers. That way I can be flexible in making units of 4-8 figures of either melee cavalry or composite bow cavalry. With the two regular cavalrymen from the V&V set as well I have 14 figures in total. I had built them with spear+shield, but after assembling a first four Victrix figures I decided to convert the V&V figues to sword+shield instead. This will be a lot easier to transport.

Here you can see the first four Victrix horsemen, plus the new conversions on the V&V figures. As far as size, they look good to me. The V&V figures ride slightly larger horses, but they should look good on the table.

[BillK]

Your work is very good, wonderful.
Thanks for posting, enjoy seeing your work.

[Ogrob]

I felt like spending my hobby time today assembling, kitbashing and doing some light converting to get more figures ready for the muslim army.

As I mentioned in the last post, I realised that if I split the 12 heavy cavalry into three lots of four, I could get a very flexible loadout. For SAGA I don't see ever needing more than eight or maybe ten hearthguard with any particular equipment option. In fact Saracens probably don't play many hearthguard at all, and they are the only muslim faction with composite bows. For Muttatawi'a I might want some amount of mounted hearthguard, but it should not be a problem.

So I build four as a flexible option, they wield swords and shields, but carry bows and arrows in hip quivers:


And another four firing bows. I had to do a little converting on these as only two bodies come with arms shooting their bows out of the four on the sprue and I didn't want repeat sculpts:


Then, having used all the bits I needed for my heavy cavalry, I could now freely scrounge those sprues to convert my Camel Riders. While I need hearthguard in SAGA terms, elite fighters, on camels without ranged weapons, these figures from V&V are lightly armoured and carry both javelins and composite bows. To that end, I did some kitbashing and converting to give them a bit more armour. I also went with hand weapons for ease of transport. Spears would make more sense, but the profile of a spear would make these figures impractically large in all dimensions. I will make a sabot base so I can play one of these figures as a warlord if I want to. Probably the guy with the sabre and scale shoulder armour.





Also finished are these muslim archers by V&V. Again, they are not perfect for SAGA as they wear a bit more armour than I would prefer for levy. Several also carry shields on their backs. I swapped their composite bows for the same short bows as Victrix muslim infantry uses, so they match better. I omitted the bow quivers as they no longer match the type of bow. For those figures with a strap around their shoulder to carry a shield, I glued an extra quiver of arrows on to make the strap make some sense when the shield was left off.


This is now most of the force assembled and ready for primer. I may need to do some greenstuff or glue some bits on the camelry to obscure some attachement points where they are meant to have quivers for bows, arrows and javelins. I also need to build a few more figures - some more archers, some heavy infantry on foot, a warlord on foot and Borderer mercenaries with heavy weapons if I can find the right bits for those.

[Uberhaare]

For most of my Muslim cavalry I will be using Victrix figures. V&V only offer their command set as fair as muslim cavalry goes, which doesn't go very far toward making any units of heavy cavalry.
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I've been wondering about mixing V&V and Victrix cavalry, this is a great comparison.

Would you say that Victrix riders fit V&V horses? I think it would be good to add a bit more variety, including armored/caparisoned horses for the Islamic Cavalry to build 13th to 14th century Mamluks.

Also, lovely looking miniatures with great paintjobs, I like how you've mixed manufacturers.

[Ogrob]

I've been wondering about mixing V&V and Victrix cavalry, this is a great comparison.

Would you say that Victrix riders fit V&V horses? I think it would be good to add a bit more variety, including armored/caparisoned horses for the Islamic Cavalry to build 13th to 14th century Mamluks.

Also, lovely looking miniatures with great paintjobs, I like how you've mixed manufacturers.

They should yes. I found the Victrix bodies a little wide legged even on their own horses, so you shouldn't need to do any carving to put them on a V&V horse.