Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!

[Counterpane]

Fascinating!  I'm planning something similar, in the same area but set fifty or sixty years earlier.  I'll be using Lion Rampant rules.
 

[Le Korrigan]

As a matter of interest, on your map: who are the 'Ebrauc'? I've covered a fair bit of the history of these times, but never come across them.

Hi, you can get some information about the Ebrauc on this website:

http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsBritain/BritainEbrauc.htm

[twrchtrwyth]

As a matter of interest, on your map: who are the 'Ebrauc'? I've covered a fair bit of the history of these times, but never come across them.

In modern Welsh, York is known as Efrog, Yorkshire is Swydd Efrog.

[Irregular Wars Nic]

WOW. Those are great!

[Michi]

These are really outstanding miniatures. I like these paintjobs. Your introduction to the subject is great too, although every European of a certain age should already know what you are talking about  :

[charla51]

So 'Ebrauc' refers to the areas of Bernicia and Deira, both old British names, and both areas later settled by Anglians and Saxons?

[WillieB]

So 'Ebrauc' refers to the areas of Bernicia and Deira, both old British names, and both areas later settled by Anglians and Saxons?

Partly anyway. I think the bigger part of what was to become Bernicia was actually Brineich before.

[Le Korrigan]

lthough every European of a certain age should already know what you are talking about  :

So true  But most of Breton people forgot that part of our ancestors migrated from southwestern Great Britain in waves from the third to ninth century (most heavily from 450-600) into Armorica ... hundred years, after Asterix and Obelix died 

So 'Ebrauc' refers to the areas of Bernicia and Deira, both old British names, and both areas later settled by Anglians and Saxons?

Deira is definitively of Brythonic origin. The names Deira or Derwent refer to a place with oaks (derv in modern Breton/Brezhoneg, plural dervenn - I think it's derw in Welsh/Cymraeg).

I will probably have finished the new settlers Saxon warband (Angles) by Sunday 

[DintheDin]

Neat paintjob! Gorgeous! I wish you have many exciting games with them!

[charla51]

'Berniech' is the British form of Bernicia ,'Land of the Gaps' i.e. the river valleys of the Tyne, Wear and Tees, allowing East -West access across the country. The English settlements seemed to have moved that way in this area.

The Gododdin seem to have held sway over the lands in this region as far south as the Tees. One of their earlier heroes, Cunedda, 'ruled' in the area around what is now Chester-le-Street, before moving to North Wales with his sons to establish the Gwynedd dynasty (or so legend has it).

The Wall doesn't appear to have been a physical or political barrier to the post-Roman British.

See Charles-Edwards 'Wales and the Britons 350 -1064' OUP, 2013, for an up to date account.

[richardpate]

very nicely done

[Le Korrigan]

Thank you Richard 

[Arlequín]

Wonderful painting and a very interesting, and original project. Thanks for sharing! 

'Berniech' is the British form of Bernicia ,'Land of the Gaps' i.e. the river valleys of the Tyne, Wear and Tees, allowing East -West access across the country. The English settlements seemed to have moved that way in this area.

The Gododdin seem to have held sway over the lands in this region as far south as the Tees. One of their earlier heroes, Cunedda, 'ruled' in the area around what is now Chester-le-Street, before moving to North Wales with his sons to establish the Gwynedd dynasty (or so legend has it).

The Wall doesn't appear to have been a physical or political barrier to the post-Roman British.

See Charles-Edwards 'Wales and the Britons 350 -1064' OUP, 2013, for an up to date account.

C. 470 Ebrauc could have been a proto-kingdom based on the old military district governed from York. It could have sub-divided into two successor kingdoms following the death of its first 'king'; primogeniture wasn't the British way of doing things apparently.

Charles-Edwards does actually mention this and other possibilities, as well as Rheged possibly being the same but based on the mysterious province of 'Valentinia'.

In any case the thread is about Armorica, so let's not drift from that huh?   

[Le Korrigan]

Wonderful painting and a very interesting, and original project. Thanks for sharing! 

Mann ebet Arlequin, trugarez bras dit! 

Thank you

[Patrice]

Ooooh I had missed this thread! 

Superb!