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Offline LuizTheNeubert

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Perry HYW cavalry conversion, need help.
« on: October 26, 2017, 05:23:51 PM »
Greetings.

I'm currently working on a few warbands for Lion Rampant using the Perry HYW plastics, but as we all know, there is no plastic cavalry available for this period, and as I'm not keen on their metal cavalry I'll have to convert the plastic WotR cavalry to get a few units of mounted knights and light cavalry. I'm pretty sure I'll have to do a torso swap in most of the MMAA bodies, and in some of the Light Cavalry bodies due to the different armour styles.

I did some search on these forums and found a couple threads http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=77614.75 and http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=91143, but they weren't very detailed on the conversion process.

It will be my first time doing something more complex than a hand swap, so do you guys have any advice regarding this? And some photos would be greatly appreciated.


Offline Captain Blood

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Re: Perry HYW cavalry conversion, need help.
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2017, 06:27:26 PM »
A HYW plastic cavalry set has been promised for a couple of years now, but no sign of it as yet.
If you can’t wait, then actually chopping off the torsos from the legs of Perry plastic figures is not that difficult. You need a sharp and fairly heavy knife and a solid surface to cut on. Something like a Stanley knife is ideal. The best way is to first cut all around the waist, or wherever you want the joint to be...
Tricky with the HYW knightly figures, because often they have a low, hip-slung baldric, so cutting at the waist and attaching a HYW top half to a WOTR bottom half isn’t going to give the result you’re looking for. You’re going to end up with a section of late period plate armour underneath an earlier period top half... so it maybe better just to cut the riding legs of the WOTR MMAA or light cavalry, and stitch them onto HYW torsos and hips. (Although that might be a problem if the hips are not wide enough to seat the legs properly across the saddle...)

Anyway, back to the basic principle of a cut-and-shut at the waist... cut all the way round the torso with a sharp craft knife to avoid the cut splitting in an unwonted way - which tends to occur if you just chop straight through without this ‘pre-cut’. Then use the heavy knife to chop right through.

The plastic is soft, but at its thickest point like this, it can be quite tough and resistant to get through.
You’ll find a rocking motion with the knife will help you get through it.
Don’t worry too much about a clean cut. You can always shave more plastic off afterwards, and when you put the two new halves together, a slathering of liquid poly cement will conceal a multitude of sins...

Point to note. The thickness of the cut means you will almost certainly lose a portion of the plastic, meaning you are extremely unlikely to get two usable halves from one figure.
You can either get a usable perfect top half or a usable perfect bottom half, but some plastic will get lost along the way so something has to be sacrificed. This would be even more noticeable if you decided to try to saw the cut rather than just chop through. The upshot is that you need to cut slightly above or slightly below where you want thejoint to occur in the final figure, depending on whether you are prioritizing keeping the top half or the bottom half fully intact. If you literally cut in the middle, you’ll end up with neither half fully intact...

Anyway, this is just based on my experience of doing quite a few major surgeries of this type. It may be that others have more precise or sophisticated techniques. I’m a committed bodger when it comes to these things - or modelling in general in fact. Make the cut, stick things together, then make them good afterwards  :)
« Last Edit: October 26, 2017, 06:30:33 PM by Captain Blood »

Offline Mick_in_Switzerland

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Re: Perry HYW cavalry conversion, need help.
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2017, 07:45:02 PM »
Captain Blood is the expert here but I suggest sawing rather than cutting with a knife.
It is more accurate and less cleaning up afterwards.

I suggest you use a modelling saw such as Tamiya Handy Craft Saw 74018 or Razor Saw 74024.
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/list/cutting/kit740C02.htm

As an alternative, why not simply build the WOTR MAA from the box and use them as substitutes until the Agincourt plastic cavalry are launched.
(You will find that Perry Plastic medievals are something of an addiction.)

My Agincourt Project
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=78682.30

My WOTR - Swiss vs Burgundy Project
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=42627.0

« Last Edit: October 26, 2017, 07:51:57 PM by Mick_in_Switzerland »

Offline Captain Blood

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Re: Perry HYW cavalry conversion, need help.
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2017, 07:59:59 PM »
Hmmm. You might be right Mick. All I can say is that when I tried sawing once, I found that a lot more plastic got vapourised and disappeared in the process, than a straight cut with a knife. But I guess it's pretty marginal, and you may be right in saying it's a more accurate method. I guess with a VERY fine saw...

Offline Mick_in_Switzerland

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Re: Perry HYW cavalry conversion, need help.
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2017, 08:07:00 PM »
I have Tamiya Handy Craft Saw 74018 and it has a very thin blade.

Note it is a pull saw rather than a traditional push saw as often sen in Europe.

Offline LuizTheNeubert

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Re: Perry HYW cavalry conversion, need help.
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2017, 01:40:13 AM »
Thanks Captain Blood and Mick for all the great advice.

I don't think proxying would be the best idea for me, as it most certainly would lead me to starting a WotR project lol.
Guess I'll get a light cavalry box as it will likely be an easier job than the knights and I happen to have some spare french infantry bodies and a arms, as well as heads.

Now looking up the MMAA sprue on eBay, it looks like the body with livery wouldn't take a lot of work to get a proper HYW look, maybe one of the heads form the French Infantry set and one of the French knights arms with short sleeves would do it. But for the other three it might be best just doing a leg swap with a foot knight whose legs are already a bit more spread.

The remaining mutilated halves will certainly find a home on the base of a Reaper dragon or some other large beast  lol

Edit: took a good look on your threads Mick and Captain, and you guys are truly amazing!
« Last Edit: October 27, 2017, 01:48:00 AM by LuizTheNeubert »

 

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