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Offline TheBlackCrane

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Update 12/04/23 - Ottomans added at the bottom

Quite some years ago a ruleset called Irregular Wars - Conflict at the World's End came into being, and having acquired a copy from Vexillia at the time (and since then acquired the 2nd edition), I spent a long time waiting for the 'right' range of C16th English to appear, so I could fulfil my desire to do a what-if 1588 campaign.

Eventually, I heard whispers that Khurasan would be releasing C16th English to go alongside their existing Spanish and Irish, resulting in, just over two years ago, a reasonably-sized parcel arriving from Khurasan. Huzzah!

So, after about two years (I'm a slow painter and there has been the odd hiatus!), and two further Khurasan orders, I finally finished painting English, Irish, Spanish and the start of an Imperialist force.

(All of which is a very long-winded way of saying I painted some figures, but given how rarely I actually stick to a project I have to say I'm rather pleased)

Being stuck indoors despite the lovely sunny day here, it is at least a good opportunity to take some photographs and offer a few thoughts on the figures. My photography isn't great, so trust me that the figures are terrific and better than I make them look!

The English

 

Bows, bills and pikes; a recurring theme amongst the figures is that I replaced the pikes supplied with the figures with steel wire spears; they do look slightly less pike-like with the flattened heads, but the only thing I didn't like about the Khurasan range is the softness of the metal for polearms, lances etc, and their thickness relative to the figures' hands so where I was able to I used steel wire instead. It's a very minor thing though (especially considering that at least Khurasan do provide pikes with their pikemen!


Musketeers, Calivermen, and war dogs. The dogs are not Khurasan but I can't remember where I got them from, possibly Xyston (?); they are not technically in the lists for Royal English in the IW rules, but for Ireland or Border Reivers I included them.



English Demilancers and light cavalry. The Demilancers are terrific figures, really enjoyed painting them - although I do have to be really careful handling them as their lances are very prone to bending at even a gentle touch. They weren't cast in, but I couldn't find a harder-metal version of appropriate lances. As said, though, that is a minor issue in the grand scheme of things. In the background behind the light-horse there are also some light horse for Ireland.

The Irish

The Irish actually ended up being my favourite of the four forces to paint, I don't know whether they had a different sculptor or whether it was just a slightly different style, but they took paint very nicely. Again, photographs are not quite doing them justice though!


Irish arquebusiers and pikes, and gallowglass and redshanks; a good mixture of more ordered troops and wild charging types. The 'command' bases are not strictly required for IW, but one can't have a C16th army without some flags, and they'll also be good as returning Irish exiles supporting the Spanish invasion efforts. The flags are virtually all Pete's Flags, with the exception of those for the Imperialists.


Irish Kern, with another command stand a priest behind them, and Irish horse. The total number of bases for my Irish is smaller than I have for the English, but bear in mind for IW all those English bases would not be in the force on the tabletop, I bought additional English to give me the option of some Border Reiver actions, or put together more of an army for larger battles for which I was thinking of adapting Sword and Spear.

The Spanish

A lot of the pikes featured in the most recent LPL, it was a good incentive to get on and finish them when I was stagnating a bit. The Spanish force is centred around the well-trained pike and shot, with the expectation of limited light cavalry support - going up against the massed English militia...



Spanish arquebusiers, backed up by a command base with another excellent Pete's Flags flag, and some Venexia sword-and-buckler. Behind them you can just about make four bases of mixed infantry chaps - these are European volunteers, ships' crews, that sort of hodgepodge of additional infantry. On the right are Spanish musketeers.


Spanish pikes (with more flags) and on the right some limited cavalry support - mounted arquebusiers, with some mounted generals and standards defending the rear...

I have to admit to 'cheating' a bit; the Imperialists (below) will lend some troops to the Spanish, for example the cuirassiers, should there be a need for additions or for a larger battle against the English, and likewise my Spanish pike (well, the ones without the flags) are going to double up as assorted pikemen for the Imperialists when I get on and acquire some Ottomans for them to go up against. it is an advantage of the period that one can get away with such things!

The Imperialists

These I bought really to support the Spanish, and frankly because I fancied painting some landsknecht types at the time too. My intent next though is to flesh out the Imperial force and then acquire some of the Khurasan Ottomans to put them up against (which look like terrific figures, but I'm going to have to work up to painting them well enough to do them justice, especially the cavalry)


Imperial arquebusiers, backed up by mounted arquebusiers (look familiar? :D They are actually separate figures - there were enough for the Spanish and Imperialists to have three bases each, but of course they can combine as required). On the right is the field artillery, suitably neutrally-painted that they are employed also by the English and the Spanish.


Landsknecht pike, Imperial cuirassiers, and more pikes. The cuirassiers, as mentioned, can double up into the Spanish force if I think they managed to get heavy horse onto England's shores. Very nice figures, and I was quite pleased with the dark armour although it doesn't really show on the photograph too well.

Doesn't seem like an awful lot for 2 years' painting, but it's one of the few things I have seen through, and depending on what the rest of the bank holiday weekend looks like and if I can find the space, I may even get the terrain out and through some of these chaps against each other in a skirmish or two. If I can find where I put my print-out of the rules that is...

If you want to see bigger pictures they're stored here

https://talesoftheblackcrane.blogspot.com/p/irregular-wars-conflict-at-worlds-end.html

I've started and given up on doing a bog many times, so now it's just a repository to store photos when I post them here.

I have some buildings to put together as the next part of the project, that will definitely be in slower time as I need a break from the C16th right now, but the next stages will be terrain, Ottomans, more imperialists, and then onto the French for the Wars of Religion.

Thanks for looking/wading through!

Rob
« Last Edit: 12 April 2023, 12:14:03 AM by TheBlackCrane »

Offline sakura11

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Excellent rob
Wekl worrh the wait and hard work

Offline Emir of Askaristan

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Lovely figs, very detailed - I mistook them for 28's.

Offline Irregular Wars Nic

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Quite some years ago a ruleset called Irregular Wars - Conflict at the World's End came into being, and having acquired a copy from Vexillia at the time (and since then acquired the 2nd edition) ...

Wow. Just... wow.  :o

Irregular Wars first came out nine years ago (2nd Ed. was 2014). It is always a bit of a thrill to see people building forces for a game I've written, and those armies blow my socks off (proverbially speaking). Most impressive sir.

It'd be great to see them on the table too.  ;)

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Great work!

I also have English, Irish and Spanish armies for IW but mine are still in a cupboard. However, given the current situation I hope to base them up at least during the next 18 months...

Offline OB

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Great to see all three together.  I like the Khurasan figures too and yours look very good.

Offline clibinarium

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This is so cool to see, it's really brightened up my day. I've not seen units of painted figures before so this is a real treat.

I sculpted the Khurasan figures- so the Irish were not done by a different sculptor! I am pretty sure they were done first, so its probably just that my style evolved.
To answer some of your questions- the metal pikes are supplied because some customers expect them. I personally hate white metal pikes, which is why the figures have open hands, in the expectation that the vast majority of people will do the sensible thing and use wire pikes. But Khurasan tells me that some still want metal ones, so they are provided.
The lances are a tricky one. The distinctive shape means they have to be sculpted, but the grip in the centre produces a thin point. I was trying to come up with some sort of solution to make at least part of the lance, wire but its smoothly tapering shape would always give away the  join.

Anyway, lovely work.

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Excellent really great looking armies.

By a strange co-incidence I have been building a similar set of armies for Irregular Wars too, but in 10mm! We played a couple of games on Friday night (by video conference) which were our first Irregular Wars games for a few years.

Can you show some close up shots of the mixed troops - these are the ones I am struggling most to determine which figures to use for?

Clib - I didn't know you had sculpted ranges for this era - any chance of talking Leon into commissioning some in 10mm?

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Thanks for the kind words all, glad to have brightened up the weekend!

Can you show some close up shots of the mixed troops - these are the ones I am struggling most to determine which figures to use for?

If you click on the link in my post (near the bottom) it'll take you where the photos are hosted, if you click on them there you should be able to get larger views of the photos. Otherwise I will try to take some close-ups, might be next weekend though.

I sculpted the Khurasan figures- so the Irish were not done by a different sculptor! I am pretty sure they were done first, so its probably just that my style evolved

Fair enough! That's not to say the others weren't also good to paint, I just found the Irish went very smoothly. Really great figures all round.

...the metal pikes are supplied because some customers expect them...

Well I have to admit, I do find it irksome when companies sell spear or pike-armed troops without their polearms - a pikemand without a pike is a just a 'man'...  lol However yes wire spears preferable.

It is always a bit of a thrill to see people building forces for a game I've written, and those armies blow my socks off.

It'd be great to see them on the table too.  ;)

Glad you like them! I haven't actually played many games of IW but mostly because I was always waiting for the right figures. Only problem at the moment is my space for playing is also the space I'm using for painting, so it might have to wait a little bit until we're all allowed out again. Will certainly post some batreps when I do though.


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Clib - I didn't know you had sculpted ranges for this era - any chance of talking Leon into commissioning some in 10mm?

Sorry I missed this question. Pretty unlikely to be honest, I don't do much 10mm these days (though I am doing other stuff for Pendraken). That may change if I get digital sculpting going (but that's not an easy skill to learn).
You may have more luck approaching Pendraken directly. I think this year they expanded their Elizabethan range adding English and Irish figures by Phil, so they might be open to doing more. I know Dave at Pendraken was into the period, he had a 28mm range done which is now at Hoka Hey/Timeline Miniatures.

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Lovely, the Irish especially  ;)

Offline TheBlackCrane

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And at last, the Ottomans make their appearance...

Returning to my ongoing C16th collection, which is very much an era I will keep returning to, after something of a hiatus, I have finally completed the next army I had lined up - the Ottomans.

I say completed - I have nowhere near enough cavalry, so I will be acquiring more. I have enough for Irregular Wars forces, but in the meantime between completing the previous armies, a variety of other projects and finally painting this lot up, I have got into playing To the Strongest and the English, Spanish and Irish have finally made it to the tabletop too (you can find some battle reports - not my work, but featuring my figures, here https://www.vislardica.com/blog/2022/10/16/fkampp-aar-fire-over-barsetshire and here https://www.vislardica.com/blog/2022/10/25/fkampp-aar-fire-over-barsetshire-part-ii).

Nonetheless, for the army completed in its current state I took some quick shots with my phone (hence the not entirely great images!) to get up on here:

The army (as it currently stands). Standard are from Wargames Designs, rather nice. Almost all the figures are by Khurasan with the exception of the block of mixed infantry on the right who are mostly from the Venexia Ottoman range.


Sipahis - armoured cavalry, came out rather nicely but much too small a unit (for now!)


Raider cavalry - akinji etc. Again I need many more, it's not so much a horde as a a few lost stragglers at the moment. Must admit this is probably my least favourite unit, possible as the paint job was just an effort - I suspect it has to do with the fact that it was the last unit to be done so I'd gone very much into get it finished mode...


Janissaries with bows and muskets; the photo isn't great, but I was quite pleased with the way the musket-armed chaps especially painted up. I think a few more of these will be in order too


A couple of command stands


Azabs with bows and with javelins


Artillery, certainly plan for more of this given my eventually aim is to throw these chaps against Malta...


And what I would have to say is my favourite unit, the assorted infantry... These are mostly from the Venexia Ottoman range, but with a few Khurasan mixed in, too. Khurasan's are slightly smaller figures, but not so you'd really notice, I think they mix in fine. What I like about the Venexia packs is that they have assorted infantry, so enabled putting together a block of mixed infantry like this. It's a mix of janissaries painted up as irregulars, azabs, and Balkan musketeers. Look carefully and you'll see the single Janissary in more ornate dress just behind the front ranks, I like to think "motivating" the rabble to advance!


As I've said previously, I tend to replace the Khurasan lances etc. with brass or steel wire spears bought separately, but aside from that it's another of Khurasan's ranges I'm a big fan of, and recommend - even with the customs charges for parcels into the UK, they are well worth ordering. I will be adding to the cavalry and the Janissaries certainly.

Ultimately, the aim will be to put these chaps into the field against the Knights of St John, for whom Khurasan do a range, which I'll supplement with my existing Spanish/Imperialists. In the meantime, I want to get the army onto the tabletop for some clashes on the frontier with the HRE (so my Imperialist forces and Spanish doubling up). I'm torn between doing the Knights next, or taking a dive into the French Wars of Religion.

That said, I have a hankering to go a bit medieval, so I suspect the C16th will get another painting hiatus whilst I do that, but I certainly hope to get a few more games in with the collection this year now that the Ottomans have been painted.

As ever, comments more than welcome!  :D

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Re: TheBlackCrane's 16th Century - Now with Ottomans! (12/04/23)
« Reply #12 on: 16 April 2023, 09:31:36 AM »
The Ottomans look amazing!  Lots of inspiration there for my next project.

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Re: TheBlackCrane's 16th Century - Now with Ottomans! (12/04/23)
« Reply #13 on: 16 April 2023, 10:59:13 AM »
Brill  8)

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Re: TheBlackCrane's 16th Century - Now with Ottomans! (12/04/23)
« Reply #14 on: 16 April 2023, 01:24:45 PM »
Wow! That army is nothing short of spectacular. It may have taken a while but it was certainly time well spent!

I hadn't seen this thread before, so I quite enjoyed seeing the other armies too.

 

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