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Offline italwars

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Misterious German car
« on: November 05, 2023, 05:32:08 AM »
Please could somebody help me in identifyng this German car , 1/72 , resin ..that I just purchased from eBay ..nothing similar appeared from my books and from the web..it’s a  quite big model if compared to most common staff cars such as the kubelwagen so, maybe, it was used for towing a small artillery piece?

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« Last Edit: November 05, 2023, 06:37:34 AM by italwars »

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Re: Misterious German car
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2023, 05:38:46 AM »
From the proportions and general layout, it looks rather similar to the Hanomag SS.100 tractor vehicle, but I have not yet seen a picture of those with a soft top.

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Re: Misterious German car
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2023, 07:07:48 AM »
Sdkfz 2?

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Re: Misterious German car
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2023, 03:09:45 AM »
Being painted as a German car means it could also be French, Dutch, Austrian, Czech...etc. :D
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Re: Misterious German car
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2023, 08:52:00 AM »
If it's not here, it probably doesn't exist.

http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_english/homepage_english.html.

It does look a bit like a Hanomag SS.100 but that was a massive, dual cab, tractor. It's definitely not Czech or Italian. It looks closest to a Dixi, which was a license built Austin 7 and curiously the car the Reichswehr used for its plywood and canvas training tanks back in the early 1930s but the shape is not quite right.

To be honest, I suspect someone has just daubed paint on and added decals to a fictional toy car.

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Offline italwars

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Re: Misterious German car
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2023, 01:09:39 PM »
Well I ve bought it among a lot of German stuff on eBay ..certainly from somebody who’s a modeller..furthermore it’s a resin , simple and compact model typical of those designed for wargamers..it could be Britannia in view of his simplicity ..but still didn’t find any pictures..the  1/72 schwimmwagen, BMW  sidecar combo and the chinese copy of a GI are all mine for comparing proportions.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2023, 01:14:48 PM by italwars »

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Re: Misterious German car
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2023, 02:06:12 PM »
It looks very much like a stylised 508cm Coliniale. Used by both the Germans and the Italians.

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Re: Misterious German car
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2023, 02:14:22 PM »
From the proportions and general layout, it looks rather similar to the Hanomag SS.100 tractor vehicle, but I have not yet seen a picture of those with a soft top.

 :D It might be a unique built like that one: https://www.mercedes-fans.de/magazin/classic/phoenix-aus-der-asche-lisbeth-frankenstein-die-wiedergeburt-eines-eilschleppers.16024

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Re: Misterious German car
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2023, 04:11:38 PM »
Paint it in Luftwaffe colours and say it is a special built for Hermann Göring.

sorry cannot find a specific lookalike but the  Jaguar SS I Coupe Sports car is similar
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Re: Misterious German car
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2023, 05:42:15 PM »
Could you provide a picture of the front grille? I would've definitely gone with the suggestions above, but maybe that helps a little. 
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Re: Misterious German car
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2023, 06:17:54 PM »
That's a mystery indeed. Many shapes there look similar to Mercedes G4, which was used by various Axis leaders and officials (apparently mainly in parades), but that one was obviously a three-axle vehicle. Roughly comparable four wheel models could include 770 and this "yet another Hitler's Mercedes" (apologies for all the garbage collected from Daily Mail): https://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-that-s-hitler-s-mercedes-cabriolet-d/20120711.htm

However, none of them matches exactly. Some bits there could also resemble, say, Tatra 80 or Opel 8/40 PS.

Then again, I also see some similarity to the "Frontline Wargaming staff car" seen in these reports. The earliest of these is from 2013 and many of their vehicles have been remodelled since then so who knows. I suppose it could be just inspired by various cars, which might explain the lack of a perfect match. They're still trading so maybe you could ask if you want to follow that lead.

https://jpwargamingplace.blogspot.com/2013/01/rapid-fire-20mm-21st-panzer-division_23.html
https://jpwargamingplace.blogspot.com/2015/07/fire-20mm-16-luftwaffe-field-division_4.html
https://jpwargamingplace.blogspot.com/2018/07/rapid-fire-operation-luttich-mortain_22.html

Their latest staff/saloon car (if it's this one) looks completely different so no help there...
https://www.mckeemanmodels.com/go.php?m=2573

Offline italwars

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Re: Misterious German car
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2023, 12:19:56 AM »
Thanks for all the answers ..that misterious car his becoming a thriller  ;) :) :)..so, during the weekend i'll post some more detailed picts of the car..including some of the lot into which it was included as they are some other simply designed German resin models..maybe we could, in this way, ifdentify, al least, the manufacture..Unfortunatly the guy from France that sold me the lot did'nt answered to my mail in which i asked him at least  clue about that very car..but i'm almost  sure it's also a wargamer like us ...un mystère total  :D

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Re: Misterious German car
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2023, 10:53:13 AM »
Isn't it just a hacked about one of these:

https://www.onthewaymodels.com/reviews/Hasegawa/AlMagnus_Hasegawa_MB_G4_W31_review.htm

I'm sure the Frontline staff car was a cut down version originally.

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Re: Misterious German car
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2023, 12:42:21 PM »
Hello,

 look like a german road tractor for me, a Hannomag SS 55 with special cab or a SS 100.
 The company produce a small road tractor SS 20 too, but with a single cab and a slender design.
 The model seems to be to small, out of scale. 1 / 100 , 1 /120 or 1 / 160. Some details are missing, but with a new paintjob it is a good towing vehicle.

 Sebastian

Offline italwars

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Re: Misterious German car
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2023, 06:05:26 PM »
Thanks to everybody for your help.
In the meanwhile, i  contacted Frontline Wargame whose owner confirmed me, as suggested here by some, that it belonged to his own production but it's no more available and he also  kindly added that it was "based on a 1930s Mercedes Benz coupe. I don't remember which one."
so i guess it's a sort of civilian Mercedes , fashionable sport car pressed into service...logically it could have been used in early war and painted dunkelgrau..from mid war untill the end i do nt think German Staff officers used civilian german produced , sophisticated and fragile civilian  cars but more specialised ones or , as a last choice, around 1944,  captured civilian French, Italian ecc.vehicles...what is still strange to me  is that , even during the  Blitzkrieg  or to  equip the DAK units, especially conceived models such as the Union Horch, Kubelwagen, Steyr ecc would have been available and logically prefered, for their off-road capabilities, instead  of a playboy type fashionable civilian  car  :) ;)enlisted for the front and repainted accordingly.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2023, 01:13:07 PM by italwars »

 

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