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Offline Spinal Tap

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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #120 on: 27 March 2025, 07:21:41 AM »
It's an interesting project: It ocurs to me that almost none of that I've built so far will be visible on the finished model...

Unless you figure a clever way to remove decks and panels to reveal the interior.

Go on, you know you want to.

Offline Andy in Germany

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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #121 on: 27 March 2025, 09:22:18 PM »
Unless you figure a clever way to remove decks and panels to reveal the interior.

Go on, you know you want to.

With the amount of mistakes, bodges and sections held together with random scraps, I think this stage is best left hidden...

I'll probably make the roof on the bridge and crew quarters removable, though...

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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #122 on: 28 March 2025, 11:01:59 PM »
On my current BSC entry, after I built the cargo bay the very next thing I built, which used almost as much plastic card stock, was the support structure for the nose... which was immediately buried when I started putting the skin down. Always kind of weird, but a necessary party of building stuff like this!

The tramp freighter looks promising so far, good luck with all the curves of the hull. Sandable filler is your friend.

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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #123 on: 29 March 2025, 07:26:55 AM »
On my current BSC entry, after I built the cargo bay the very next thing I built, which used almost as much plastic card stock, was the support structure for the nose... which was immediately buried when I started putting the skin down. Always kind of weird, but a necessary party of building stuff like this!

The tramp freighter looks promising so far, good luck with all the curves of the hull. Sandable filler is your friend.

Thanks. I'm glad I'm not alone in this. What's the "BSC entry?" [Edit: Found it]
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Offline Andy in Germany

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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #124 on: 29 March 2025, 08:51:15 AM »


I?ve been learning lots of new things on this project; for instance, I?m told the ?sag? in the hulls of ships in the 1920?s and 30?s, is called Sheer, and the overhang on the stern is known as the ?Elliptical? or ?Counter Stern?.

If you?re planning to build a boat with one or more of these features, the first step is to gather lots of pictures as reference material, gain a good understanding of how these features interact with each other and the other parts of the ship.

The second step is to then go and lie down until the desire passes, and make something sensible like a landing craft.

If you still insist on this madness, you will need plenty of 1mm thick card, more superglue than is healthy to share a room with, shellac, and a square kilometre of sandpaper.



The counter stern in particular was a long process. The first step was making a template. This was held against the model, at which point it became obvious it was entirely the wrong shape, so I made another template, held this against the model, and repeated the process. Eventually I ended up with a piece of card that was the right shape. Sort of. At least close enough that I could fill in the gaps with scraps.

Now came the job of sticking it on. I applied glue to all the surfaces which would come in contact, and added drops of superglue to the corners, in the hope this would hold the card in place while the rest dried. The Superglue, of course, stuck to my fingers, modelling board and anything else until it came in contact with the rest of the model, at which point it became ineffective. When the card finally ended up in the right place I had to hold it awkwardly in position; letting go to change grip would have caused it to spring back.

After a fairly uncomfortable ten minutes holding the stern together, I decided to check if the glue was working.

It wasn?t.



Eventually, the card was subdued and after leaving it to solidify overnight, I added a second layer, which worked somewhat better because of the larger surface to glue, trimmed the result down in places and filled gaps in others, and left that to solidify.

This done, I gave the lot a rough sanding, painted shellac all over the model and left the whole sticky mess overnight. Next morning it got more shellac, before going to work. Then I got out the 80 grit sandpaper, and lots of it: card soaked in shellac is very solid, so the sandpaper tends to give up first. Eventually I was able to go down to finer sandpaper, and fill remaining small gaps with wood filler and sand that in turn.

And then finally, a smooth hull. I was about to celebrate, then realised that having made all these complex shapes, I now had to make a deck to fit them?



Offline Storm Wolf

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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #125 on: 29 March 2025, 01:31:12 PM »
And then finally, a smooth hull. I was about to celebrate, then realised that having made all these complex shapes, I now had to make a deck to fit them?

Oh bugger! ;) lol well done though, you are a braver man than I.....
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Offline Spinal Tap

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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #126 on: 29 March 2025, 01:51:52 PM »
Brilliant work Andy.

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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #127 on: 29 March 2025, 03:10:37 PM »
I used to build cardboard models of waterline ships and airplanes in my youth. Those were printed cut-out kits which only needed scissors and glue to complete, yet they were often multiply curved in shape. Probably one of those could be upscaled on a photocopier and used for templates. Later I always wanted to build the VENTURE from that King Kong movie with Jack Black out of cardboard, but I never dared and bought a Playmobil freighter for conversion instead. I pull my head to your attempt to build one of those steamers completely from scratch.

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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #128 on: 29 March 2025, 06:59:04 PM »
Your description of your gluing woes is so true and very funny :)

It?s a splendid project - and it promises to look splendid. When you?ve finished, you can make me one - I?ll send you my address :D

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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #129 on: 29 March 2025, 10:08:50 PM »
Your description of your gluing woes is so true and very funny :)

Why yes.  Just the other night, I had to take my XActo knife to [carefully] cut my fingers apart... again.

Offline Storm Wolf

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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #130 on: 29 March 2025, 10:21:26 PM »

Why yes.  Just the other night, I had to take my XActo knife to [carefully] cut my fingers apart... again.

Oh dear  :-[, may I suggest getting some super glue activator spray? Its not instant, instant but its much bloody quicker for setting and may save your poor abused fingertips? I have a big can and I won't use super glue without it now  :-*

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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #131 on: 29 March 2025, 11:44:10 PM »
That is looking brilliant.  Shear madness to build but brilliant. 
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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #132 on: 30 March 2025, 12:10:28 PM »
Or find Aileen's Tacky Glue - but know you will also need a stronger permanent bonding adhesive, but it is less likely to be 'that finger' issue and can, hopefully, hold all those curves in place long enough to 'mold' the shape and then you can gently pull apart and re-glue with a permanent adhesive.   I'm starting to avoid superglue - just too messy.  Haven't abandoned it, just become adhesive of last resort.

Hull looking really good.  Would some sort of foam been an easier base to work with?  Styro, insulating, or even soft (furniture stuffing) foam?  Might be a pain to shape but will hold together over the longer term. 
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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #133 on: 30 March 2025, 01:12:31 PM »
You are a very brave (mad) man sir, and I salute you!

It is looking really good so far and I am looking forward to seeing the results of your efforts. I certainly would have given up and thrown it all in the bin so time ago (and possibly bought something simple like the TTCombat cargo ship and done a conversion.

Offline Andy in Germany

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Re: Modelmaking Misadventures: The Ascenscion Island Chronicles.
« Reply #134 on: 30 March 2025, 06:31:44 PM »
Many thanks for the kind comments...
Your description of your gluing woes is so true and very funny :)

It?s a splendid project - and it promises to look splendid. When you?ve finished, you can make me one - I?ll send you my address :D

Doug

Glad I'm not alone with the issues regarding glue.

Making models to commission would be a dream job... Postage may be difficult though...


 

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