Are Perry Rohan "true 25mm" and how common is this size?

[Ozreth]

I have a bunch of these and love the size, not too big, not too small, but on the smaller side. Just right for me. Is this what people would call true 25mm? They don't quite seem 28mm to me.

Second, are there plenty of fantasy sculpts out there that would match this size? I feel like it would've been common in the 90s.

[Elbows]

Now days you will have to search to find specific "proper" 25mm ranges, as they're overwhelming 28-32mm (and in the case of Games Workshop, true 40mm at times).

Red Box Games(?) I think still does smaller 25-ish scale stuff.  The LOTR game from Games Workshop is, I believe, classic 25mm (though with a new release I would imagine even they got some scale creep).

I'm sure you'll find people listing tons of companies of 25mm-ish stuff, but mainstream plastics are unlikely.  The good news is that with 3D printing, you can simply adjust up or down 5-10% and get what you need from a friendly printer as well.

[has.been]

Have a look at (order a few samples) Mini-Fig Dark age ranges.
These I have found do good service as Middle Earth (25mm) Humans.
They also do a fantasy range if you want 25mm Non Humans.

[Cubs]

Perry's are usually foot to eye, 28mm bang on, but I don't know about the Rohan ones. But the proportions are more lifelike, with only slight exaggeration, whereas some manufacturers go with more exaggerated extremities and weapons so might seem larger.

[bvandewalker]

If we are talking GW's LOTR figures, the older ones at least are true 28mm and work with HaTT's  old 28mm lines which were also true scale 28m.

Perry's are some what different since they use historical scale where the body is more realistically proportioned but the head is slightly larger to avoid the "pin headed" look true scale  tends to have (by the way that is the key difference between ). The only Perry sets that really lean hard to the true scale are their WW2 sets and even those are historical, they do look really good with the 1/56 tanks, etc. kits though.

[Neldoreth]

I believe that a lot of the modern historical plastic are similar in scale and size. I personally have the Gripping Beast Vikings and Arabs and they match very well, and even have better detail than some of the earlier LotR stuff. I also have the victrix vikings and norman/arab cavalry and the Warlord Games hoplites, and they also have the same scale. The Fireforge games medieval-looking fantasy army is a simlar scale, but the northern faction that fireforge did is bigger, getting closer to old Warhammer Fantasy scale.

Also I wouldn't say the Rohan are true 25mm, maybe they're more like true 28mm; I believe that true 25mm are actually 1/72 scale. The old, old metal D&D figs that were true 25mm were like slightly bulky 1/72 scale figs. But maybe I'm wrong, that's just my opinion.

[SgtSlag]

I hate to say this, but...

Scale is a mostly meaningless term when discussing fantasy figures.   

It is almost useless when discussing Human figures, as well, due to sculptors not adhering to stringent sizes, or scales, in their works.

When comparing figures, to make a compatibility evaluation, the only meaningful question is,

"How tall, to the top of the head, are these miniatures, in millimeters?"

Asking that question, or similar ("to the eyes," if you will), is the only way to genuinely know if some figures are close enough, or not.

Lobby figure makers to produce photos on their web pages, where the figures are shown against a ruler.  Anything else, is a shot in the dark, wasting time and money.  Cheers!

[Cat]

Ral Partha, Grenadier (via Mirliton, oddly enough filed under 28mm Fantasy in the menu bar), and and MiniFigs (via Caliver Books) are 25mm.

[Pattus Magnus]

To me, compatibility across figure lines isn’t primarily about figure height (some variation is to be expected). The thing I get hung up on is the bulk and body proportions of the figures, especially the heads and hands. Some figure lines tend to have quite large heads, which makes it easier to sculpt and paint characterful faces (GW has tended to go that way, since at least the late 1980s). Others are more realistically proportioned and have small heads with delicate faces (older Grenadier, older Ral Partha). Hand run a similar range, for similar reasons (mainly easy sculpting and painting).

As others have said, figures sculpted by the Perrys tend to be toward the realistically proportioned end of that continuum, including the original riders of Rohan LotR movie-based figures. Height wise, they line up with many 28mm figures, but have small heads and hands compared to most figure lines.

[cadbren]

Ral Partha, Grenadier (via Mirliton, oddly enough filed under 28mm Fantasy in the menu bar), and and MiniFigs (via Caliver Books) are 25mm.

Iron Wind Metals also has a large range of old sculpts including Ral Partha.

[Mick_in_Switzerland]

To go back to the original question
"Are Perry Rohan "true 25mm" and how common is this size?"

The GW Lord of the Rings plastic sets from 2002 to 2004 are noticeably smaller than the metals or other fantasy figures.
These include Warriors of Rohan, Riders of Rohan, and Warriors of Minas Tirith.
Most of the metals and later plastics are "normal" sized fantasy figures.

Warriors of Rohan have been relaunched with new tooling in 2024 for the War of the Rohirrim film.
The new figures are "normal size" fantasy.

[mikedemana]

There's a company here in the U.S. that loves the old retro "true scale" 25's named RRB Minis & More. Here's their store link:
https://rrbminis.com/

He's always buying molds to older lines, so reach out to him if there is something you are looking for in particular. He may have it in his queue -- never know! Rich Brown a great guy, by the way, and a regular vendor at the local shows.

Mike Demana

[Rick]

As far as I can remember, I think a decision was made at the time of licence negotiations to make them smaller than the GW heroic 28 size (32mm - presumably so the 2 ranges couldn't overlap) and the initial releases of the Alliance Elves and Men of the west, as well as the Moria goblins do seem to be of a smaller 25mm size. After that, each release got just a little bit bigger - the Rohan/Isengard figures are bigger than the earlier releases and the Gondor/Easterling/Haradrim are about the same - a 'standard' 28mm size. The later releases, especially the Uruk Hai scouts, the Ithilien Rangers and the Hobbit miniatures appear to be the biggest of the lot - but still smaller than the GW Warhammer and 40k ranges. It's a shame that the early figures were never redone to a more consistent size and do look noticeably different to the later figures but the redone Rohan figures do look great and will fit in, size-wise, with the later figures.

[KGatch113]

I believe that a lot of the modern historical plastic are similar in scale and size. I personally have the Gripping Beast Vikings and Arabs and they match very well, and even have better detail than some of the earlier LotR stuff. I also have the victrix vikings and norman/arab cavalry and the Warlord Games hoplites, and they also have the same scale. The Fireforge games medieval-looking fantasy army is a simlar scale, but the northern faction that fireforge did is bigger, getting closer to old Warhammer Fantasy scale.

Also I wouldn't say the Rohan are true 25mm, maybe they're more like true 28mm; I believe that true 25mm are actually 1/72 scale. The old, old metal D&D figs that were true 25mm were like slightly bulky 1/72 scale figs. But maybe I'm wrong, that's just my opinion.

Early LOTR figures are alot smaller and slimmer than GB and FF figures, which to me are the base size I  want. Victrix stuff is beautiful but a bit bigger than GB and FF...they are massive compared to the early Rohan stuff.

There are two other factors to "scale" that people need to realize...there is true scale and heroic scale. True scale means the weapons, hands and heads are realistically proportioned. Heroic scale means hands and heads are larger, and weapons are larger. Oddly enough, to many people, this means they look right on a battlefield of figures from a couple feet away.

Lotr figures are true scale, while Warhammer fantasy figures are all almost all heroic scale, which means they are bigger, or at least look bigger. Almost all historicals are true scale, while most fantasy figures are done as heroic scale.