Which ancients best match Citadel Runequest figures? (First dark troll added!)

[Hobgoblin]

So ... in my ongoing project to standardise the basing for all my metal fantasy miniatures, I stumbled across a large cache of miniatures that I'd put aside years back to serve as Gloranthan dark trolls. They're now bronzed up on the painting table. And I have a lot of the glorious old Citadel broo. That's revived an idea I've toyed with for ages: doing some Big Rubble-based skirmish games (perhaps with rulesets ranging from Song of Blades to Ravenfeast to Mordheim, depending on the scenario).

These figures scale very well with the old Citadel Runequest humans, of which I have a few: Wolfhead and Griselda, at least.

But is there a range of ancients out there - metal or plastic - that fits well with those old Perry beauties? I think the old Foundry Vikings and Saxons might work as Sartartite types (possibly a little big?), but some Greeks, Romans and Persians would come in very handy.

(I should say that I'm not too interested in 'modern' Gloranthan takes; I love the Luise Perrin take on the world, with trolls that are either folkloric-looking or only a bit snouty (I'm mixing the two) and hoplitey heroes and heroines. So I'm basically looking for historical figures that will scrub up nicely with a few runes and fit in with Griselda, Wolfhead, et al.)

Any suggestions much appreciated!

[Moriarty]

You could have a look at this, from our very own LAF?

https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=38197.0

[Panzer21]

Probably the old Wargames Foundry Greeks, Persians, Roman, Carthaginians, Celts as these are 25mm


https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/greeks-older-range

https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/persians-older-range


https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/pages/republican-romes-wars

Some others such as early Perry, Dacians, Picts, Franks and Saxons will also match although slightly bigger.

Neil

[Hobgoblin]

Thanks, both! Those are very handy links.

Panzer21 - do you include the Perry Early Imperial Romans among the "early Perry"? Those are the Foundry figures that best match the illustrations for Lunar soldiers in Pavis & the Big Rubble?

It's always hard to eyeball scale from photographs, but a lot of those Perry figures look extremely promising given what I presume to be 20mm square bases.

Thanks again!

[Gibby]

My mate has those Foundry Early Imperial Romans and they match Warlord's first plastic Early Imperial Romans (or rather those latter were made to match the former, back in the day), so that makes them more on the 25mm scale side of things.

Not sure how useful they are for Glorantha (my knowledge isn't up there), but the Foundry New Kingdom Egyptians are in the smaller, 25mm size I think. And in there there's a guy who has a Baboon on a lead:

https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/new-kingdom-egyptians/products/e029-egyptian-nubian-civilians

[punkrabbitt]

Not sure how useful they are for Glorantha (my knowledge isn't up there), but the Foundry New Kingdom Egyptians are in the smaller, 25mm size I think. And in there there's a guy who has a Baboon on a lead:

In Glorantha, baboons aren't pets, they're player characters!

[Hobgoblin]

My mate has those Foundry Early Imperial Romans and they match Warlord's first plastic Early Imperial Romans (or rather those latter were made to match the former, back in the day), so that makes them more on the 25mm scale side of things.

Ah - that's a very handy benchmark - thanks! I have a few of those small plastic Romans (was kitbashing some into Uruk-hai), so will maybe throw one together as a sample Lunar soldier and see how he measures up against Wolfhead and co. If he looks the part, then I could just knock up a patrol of Lunars from a sprue or two.

Not sure how useful they are for Glorantha (my knowledge isn't up there), but the Foundry New Kingdom Egyptians are in the smaller, 25mm size I think. And in there there's a guy who has a Baboon on a lead:

https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/new-kingdom-egyptians/products/e029-egyptian-nubian-civilians

Ah - another good call! I'm going off RuneQuest 2 and supplements for the most part, which are quite bare bones on descriptions. So those figures could all have a use.

In Glorantha, baboons aren't pets, they're player characters!

True! Luckily, I have a Citadel baboon or two to hand.

[Panzer21]

Thanks, both! Those are very handy links.

Panzer21 - do you include the Perry Early Imperial Romans among the "early Perry"? Those are the Foundry figures that best match the illustrations for Lunar soldiers in Pavis & the Big Rubble?

It's always hard to eyeball scale from photographs, but a lot of those Perry figures look extremely promising given what I presume to be 20mm square bases.

Thanks again!

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Yes, the Perry EIR would match - be careful however the Saleh single pose are large 28mm
There's also the old Citadel Barbarians (as well as Vikings etc):

https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/ex-citadel-games-workshop-models?page=2

Neil

[Hobgoblin]

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Yes, the Perry EIR would match - be careful however the Saleh single pose are large 28mm
There's also the old Citadel Barbarians (as well as Vikings etc):

https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/ex-citadel-games-workshop-models?page=2

Neil

Great - thanks again, Neil! And those barbarians are a very good call. I think I have one of the Citadel slotta orginals; I'll size him up and see how he looks. I don't mind a fair bit of variation in humans; I'm just wary of Saleh/Copplestone-type figures that might make my dark trolls look too dainty!

[Hobgoblin]

Here's the first of my dark trolls for this project. He's a Grenadier Orc of the Severed Hand. I picked up the whole set a while back, along with some duplicated. I think they're just perfect for the Uz; they'd be about 7' tall compared with Citadel RQ adventurers if they stood up straight, and they're much bulkier (arms as thick as a man's waist, etc.).

I also around three sets of the matching blister of three orcs, plus some of the matching goblins, which are perfect for trollkin. To bulk those out, I'm adding the two Ral Partha trollkin and some de-horned and de-tailed kobolds.

Also, I'm throwing in some of the Citadel RQ trolls too; I love Luise Perrin's Borderlands troll illustrations, which the Citadel ones are based on. The Grenadier orcs and goblins are very close to her slightly more 'canonical' trolls in the RQ2 rulebook, but they can all work together as far as I'm concerned, along with Ral Partha dark trolls (I have both). After all, why should mythic 'men of darkness' conform to some sort of taxonomic consistency?

Anyway, here's the test piece. Most illustrators don't show Uz with glowing eyes, but I think they look better (and they're certainly easier to paint!). Again, mythic 'men of darkness' ...

[Dice Roller]

Don't forget Foundry's 'Argonauts' range:
https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/argonauts-and-mythical-heroes
(you'll see there's quite a handy windchild model in there!).

And there's also Foundry's other Mythic Greece range as well:
https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/greek-mythology

Sorry, I can't help with how they scale to other ranges but, in general, Foundry tend to be on the smaller range of 28s.

[Panzer21]

Don't forget Foundry's 'Argonauts' range:
https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/argonauts-and-mythical-heroes
(you'll see there's quite a handy windchild model in there!).

And there's also Foundry's other Mythic Greece range as well:
https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/greek-mythology

Sorry, I can't help with how they scale to other ranges but, in general, Foundry tend to be on the smaller range of 28s.

They are 28mm. They will tower over the original Citadel 25mm Runequest figures.
Neil

[Cubs]

Warlord Games has some decent stuff in their Aegean States range, including plastic sprues just ripe for conversion.

https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/aegean-states

[Hobgoblin]

Thanks all!

They are 28mm. They will tower over the original Citadel 25mm Runequest figures.
Neil

True - probably no good for 'regulars', but the odd outsize hero isn't out of scope. I was checking my RQ stats again, and the average dark troll is SIZ 16-17, so I can tolerate a few hefty fellows who have the mass of the Grenadier orcs.

And some of those non-human creatures in the Argonauts and Mythic Greece ranges could be handy too: gorgons and whatnot. So thanks for the pointer, Dice Roller - I'd completely missed those ranges!

Warlord Games has some decent stuff in their Aegean States range, including plastic sprues just ripe for conversion.

https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/aegean-states

Ah - that looks well worth a look - thanks! I discovered some very small plastic hoplite heads in a bit box this morning; smaller than those on Citadel RQ figures. I think they may be Warlord, so I'll see if I have any of those sprues hanging around (a hoplite helmet on a small Warlord Roman body is a starting point for a Gloranthan kitbash in this scale, I suppose!).

[Cubs]

There was a box of plastic Hoplites that I used for a WI online Spartan painting article many years ago. I forget the manufacturer, but they were bought out by Warlord and then phased out. I recall they were quite small, probably true 25mm scale. Let me Google myself and see if I can find it.

EDIT: Right, it's 'Immortal Miniatures' - they might be a little prescriptive, being for a Greek shieldwall, but I recall them being easy to chop about, so you could easily give them alternative weapons and poses. I don't know if they're still available though.

https://www.warlordgames.com/painting-spartans-by-paul-cubbin/

ANOTHER EDIT: There's a few boxes and sprues of them on eBay, so you can still get them.