WHFB 8

[Argonor]

Heheh...

I don't think we differ that much in our opinions about the market, and about gaming, after all. It all comes down to words and phrasing.

Only one comment:

I know that a lot of gamers have the 'official bug'. Most of it, I think stems from the times where every even so small games store had at least one 'official' Warhammer or 40K tournament a year, very often overseen by a GW employee of some sorts. You just could not participate if you did not have a purestrain GW army.

But, frankly, how many games of Warhammer/40K does a the average gamer play a year, and how large a proportion of that is played as part of an official tournament? And I don't mean a tournament at your local club, but one where GW can actually ban you for not using their minis?

I think the only reason for consistently linking minis with particular rulesets is when the range of minis is so different from anythin else that you don't know what other ruleset to use (only example I can think of just now is War Rocket by Hydra, Pulp Retro Spaceship battles for which they have launched some VERY cute minis, but I'm not going to cash out on them before I have the faintest clue how to game with them - BFG, Full Thrust, or Firestorm just wouldn't FEEL right )

But, OK, this thread has becomne more or less obsolete, anyway - joroas asked for advice concerning whether to buy or not buy the newest edition, which he ended up doing, so the rest is history 

[joroas]

"Background sounds of shutters closing"

Thanks guys for your input.  as stated yes, I wavered, but I knew I would succumb after all.  I guess everyone has a lot of soulsearching over GW, but the reality is that, because they are on our High Streets, and just like McDonald's, they are tempting in a way that no other store can be, even if you only buy paints and brushes.

'Night, 'night! 

[Gluteus Maximus]

"Background sounds of shutters closing"

Thanks guys for your input.  as stated yes, I wavered, but I knew I would succumb after all.  I guess everyone has a lot of soulsearching over GW, but the reality is that, because they are on our High Streets, and just like McDonald's, they are tempting in a way that no other store can be, even if you only buy paints and brushes.

'Night, 'night! 

You see them and you can't resist stopping and looking through the window. Even though you know you really don't want anything and you try your hardest to carry on walking, you're drawn in and end up pigging-out.

Oh, so shameful 

[wolfgangbrooks]

I kind of like how you could just play with the basic book. Base stats for practically every unit for most races are in the back of the book as well as several example swarms and monsters. There's also several lores of magic and rules for weapons and special attributes in the main rules. And just looking right now tons of magic items. Just make scenarios with no points.

It's oddly like the WHFB version of Black Powder that way.... I have an idea...

Heheh...I don't think we differ that much in our opinions about the market, and about gaming, after all. It all comes down to words and phrasing.

Could be.

[Mad Doc Morris]

Can somebody please point me to an overview what's actually in the book? I've searched quite a bit (maybe not hard enough) but couldn't find a table of content or something. Just want to decide if to buy the big book now or wait for the starter set. Thanks in advance.

[kidterminal]

"Background sounds of shutters closing"

Thanks guys for your input.  as stated yes, I wavered, but I knew I would succumb after all.  I guess everyone has a lot of soulsearching over GW, but the reality is that, because they are on our High Streets, and just like McDonald's, they are tempting in a way that no other store can be, even if you only buy paints and brushes.

'Night, 'night! 

Lucky me Games Workshop can't afford "High Street" here in NYC so I've managed to avoid the two stores for a couple of years now. It's helps that the manager of the nearest store left and his replacement is an a***(word not suitable for children). Now McDonald's... they're on every street corner.
Rob

[joroas]

Well, we have two within 8 miles of my house and at least 10 within 50.  Managers over here tend to turn over with speedy regularity.........

[rob_the_robgoblin]

Yup, I'm in the same boat.

The fact that there's what, 3? in Central London, I'm pretty sure the reason they don't have one in New York isn't about affordability.

[leadfool]

I have 3 game stores close by (within 20 miles), 2 of which carry GW one does not.   None of them are "GW" stores of course.  I honestly don't know where the nearest GW store is.
Now McDonalds, I can walk to., drive by 5 on the way to work. 
But for real common it is Starbucks.  I think I pass 15 driving to work.

[kidterminal]

Yup, I'm in the same boat.

The fact that there's what, 3? in Central London, I'm pretty sure the reason they don't have one in New York isn't about affordability.

Oh Rob, But they do have 2 stores, they had 3 a while back. These stores are a little out of the way of my travel patterns that's how I've managed to keep away. Now if they were on 5th Ave or 14th st or 34th st or 42nd st it would be impossible to avoid them as they are the main hubs. GW put their stores near a major Uni and a major high school. An evil plan if ever I saw one.

Rob

[rob_the_robgoblin]

I wouldn't call that evil at all. If I was at a uni that was far away from the town centre, I'd like a GW nearby. Luckily Coventry Uni is all over the place and the art building is just down the road from GW (which is above Wilkinson's in a shopping centre, so I go there whenever I need to buy expanding foam or crap paint).

[wolfgangbrooks]

Just want to decide if to buy the big book now or wait for the starter set. Thanks in advance.

There's no online pics of the table of contents that I've seen. Though if you're wondering the bits that'll probably get cut down or taken out would be the campaign rules, 'fantasy' terrain rules, scenarios, stat references, history fluff, and army introductions. I imagine the main rules will be much more breezily rewritten and alot of the example images taken out.

I guess it depends on how much you want the bells and whistles. The starter sets should be pretty complete as far as the essential rules go.

However, with the magic decks being sold seperately I could almost imagine the lores of magic rules not being in the boxed set. Though I don't think they'll do that.

[rob_the_robgoblin]

They should be in there. The magic decks are limited edition, it would be stupid to deprive people of the ability to use the common lores! 

[Mad Doc Morris]

Thanks, wolfgangbrooks.
I take it that in the big book sample stats for every race/faction are included? I have stopped buying WFB during 6th edition, and I'm actually not willing to add another layer of army books to my shelf only to be 'up to date' with the core rules. So, sample stats would be nice to make up armies on my own.

[wolfgangbrooks]

You're welcome. It seems just about all the stats are included, including alot of special characters. It seems they did it to point out which models are what for purposes of basic special rules such as monstrous infantry and such. But it's more than good enough for what you want to do.

They should be in there. The magic decks are limited edition, it would be stupid to deprive people of the ability to use the common lores! 

Actually it's just the army specific ones that are limited. The core magic lores set haven't been tagged as such.