Italian 1940 greece

[David]

Hi 
was looking at the organization for italians infantry and supports, but this is all i can find
can anybody point me to a good site for this information

Italian Rifle Platoon (Plotone Fucilieri) (38 men): September 1939 – July 1941
HQ section (2 men):
1 Officer (pistol)
1 Runner
2 x Rifle Squads (18 men each):
1 x Rifle Group (9 men):
1 NCO (Rifle)
8 other ranks (Rifles)
1 x LMG Group (9 men):
1 Corporal (Rifle)
2 x LMG teams (4 men each):
1 gunner (Breda Mod 30 LMG, pistol)
1 loader (Rifle)
2 ammo carriers (Rifle)
This structure was in place from the beginning of the war until July 1941, at which time it
was replaced by the next reorganization.
Sources:
 Ministero della Guerra n.3704 - Addestramento della Fanteria Vol 1 – Roma 1939
 Addestramento della Fanteria Vol 2 - Roma 1939 tavola A.
 Manuale de Regolamenti per I corsi allievi ufficiali de complemento - Roma 1940
tavola A & D.
 Impreso e Addestramento Tattico – Ministero della Guerra – Roma 1940 (tactical
procedures and training)
 Nozioni di Organica 1941.
* * * * *
Note: The Italian word for Infantry is Fanteria, but the units comprising infantry divisions
were known as Rifle Platoon (Plotone Fucilieri), Rifle Squad (Squadra Fucilieri) and
Rifle Group (Gruppo Fucilieri).
Note: This organization applies to leg (non-motorized) rifle platoons.

[commissarmoody]

Pretty cool. Did you just decided to post this up for fun? Or is there a project in the works?

[Doc Twilight]

Hi 
was looking at the organization for italians infantry and supports, but this is all i can find
can anybody point me to a good site for this information

Italian Rifle Platoon (Plotone Fucilieri) (38 men): September 1939 – July 1941
HQ section (2 men):
1 Officer (pistol)
1 Runner
2 x Rifle Squads (18 men each):
1 x Rifle Group (9 men):
1 NCO (Rifle)
8 other ranks (Rifles)
1 x LMG Group (9 men):
1 Corporal (Rifle)
2 x LMG teams (4 men each):
1 gunner (Breda Mod 30 LMG, pistol)
1 loader (Rifle)
2 ammo carriers (Rifle)
This structure was in place from the beginning of the war until July 1941, at which time it
was replaced by the next reorganization.
Sources:
 Ministero della Guerra n.3704 - Addestramento della Fanteria Vol 1 – Roma 1939
 Addestramento della Fanteria Vol 2 - Roma 1939 tavola A.
 Manuale de Regolamenti per I corsi allievi ufficiali de complemento - Roma 1940
tavola A & D.
 Impreso e Addestramento Tattico – Ministero della Guerra – Roma 1940 (tactical
procedures and training)
 Nozioni di Organica 1941.
* * * * *
Note: The Italian word for Infantry is Fanteria, but the units comprising infantry divisions
were known as Rifle Platoon (Plotone Fucilieri), Rifle Squad (Squadra Fucilieri) and
Rifle Group (Gruppo Fucilieri).
Note: This organization applies to leg (non-motorized) rifle platoons.

What information are you looking for specifically? I have most of it, but would need more information about the type of info you need.

-Doc

[Arlequín]

Niehorster will probably have most of what you need and Bayonet Strength will hopefully fill in the rest. Keep us up to date on your progress, will you?     

[David]

Hi
commissarmoody

Pretty cool. Did you just decided to post this up for fun? Or is there a project in the works?

Yes it is for a project Struggle for the Village of Vovoussa, which i want to use as a display game.
This is out of Balkans on Fire, but is design for large game and i have to sclae it down a wee bit.
most of the information I have show me the organisation down to section but not the NCO's
I am looking for Infantry battalion support company as shown for the infantry above.
David

[redzed]

The Guild  is a very WW2 heavy site and has a lot of people who know the period.

[David]

had a look it looks more modern?
I think i have found what i was looking for, it gives me the NCO's for each section
will cross reference with other information

Italian Blackshirt Legion
1940-1943 - All Theatres
(TOE applies to CCNN legions assigned to regular infantry divisions)
Assault Legion (1356 men: 51 officers, 75 NCOs, 1230 enlisted)
Legion HQ (102 men: 10 officers, 8 NCOs, 84 enlisted)
2 x Assault Battalions (521 men each: 18 officers, 29 NCOs, 474 enlisted)
Battalion HQ (69 men: 5 officers, 5 NCOs, 59 enlisted)
1 x Scout Platoon (41 men: 1 officer, 3 NCOs, 37 enlisted)
3 x Rifle Companies (137 men each: 4 officers, 7 NCOs, 126 enlisted)
Company HQ (49 men: 2 officers, 2 NCOs, 45 enlisted)
1 x Mortar Section (14 men: 1 NCO, 13 enlisted, 3 45mm Mortars)
1 NCO – section leader (rifle)
6 mortar crew (3 45mm Mortars)
1 Corporal - ammo team leader (rifle)
6 others – ammo carriers (rifles)
2 x Rifle Platoons (37 men each: 1 officer, 2 NCOs, 34 enlisted, 4 LMG)
HQ section (1 man: 1 officer)
1 Officer (pistol)
2 x Rifle Squads (18 men each):
1 x Rifle Group (9 men):
1 NCO (rifle)
8 other ranks (rifles)
1 x LMG Group (9 men):
1 Corporal (rifle)
2 x LMG
2 gunners (pistols)
2 loaders (rifles)
4 others – ammo carriers (rifles)
1 x MG Company (212 men: 5 officers, 9 NCOs, 198 enlisted, 12 HMG)
MG Company HQ (101 men: 2 officers, 3 NCOs, 96 enlisted)
3 x MG Platoons (37 men each: 1 officer, 2 NCOs, 34 enlisted, 4 HMG)
HQ Section (1 man: 1 officer)
1 Officer (pistol)
2 x MG Squads (18 men each):
1 x HMG Group (9 men):
1 NCO (rifle)
2 x HMG
2 gunners (pistols)
2 tripod carriers (pistols)
2 spare parts carriers (rifles)
2 others – ammo carriers (rifles)
1 x Ammo Group (9 men):
1 Corporal (rifle)
8 others – ammo carriers (rifles)
Updated 10/29/2009
* * * * *
Note #1: In 1938 Italian Infantry Divisions underwent a major organizational change. Their
prior structure was based on the presence of three regiments of infantry. The new structure had
only two regiments (thus the new divisions were called binary infantry divisions). This allowed
the Italian High Command to quickly create additional infantry divisions using these now “extra”
regiments. But the binary divisions proved to be under strength and fragile in combat.
Note #2: To compensate for this, in October 1939 Mussolini ordered the formation of Blackshirt
Legions. Each Legion would contain two Blackshirt battalions, and every infantry division
would be assigned a Legion. There was great reluctance within the regular army to incorporate
these troops, and the process was followed slowly. It was not until late 1942 that the last of the
Legions had been incorporated into the infantry divisions.
Note #3: The official designation for legions assigned to infantry divisions was Assault Legion.
Note #4: In Italian, a single “Blackshirt” trooper would be called a Camicia (shirt) Nera (black).
This is abbreviated as CN. However, the plural form of an abbreviation in Italian is depicted by
doubling the letters. So when referring to a group of “Blackshirt” troopers, the abbreviation
becomes CCNN.
Note #5: A small number of CCNN divisions were formed during the early war years. Those
unit structures were entirely different from the legions formed for inclusion with infantry
divisions (shown above).
Sources:
Italian Army Order of Battle, W. Madeja
Unit Organizations of World War II, David Myers
Various posts and articles on ComandoSupremo web site
Various posts on Italianisti Yahoo Group

[njetkulturny]

Comando supremo and Italianisti are my favoured websites regarding Italy in WW2.

...Information supplied by Arturo L. is almost as reading official handbooks ;-)