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Offline faethor1204

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Re: Conquistadors in Africa?
« Reply #30 on: 14 February 2017, 06:38:27 PM »
fantastic thread so glad to see other like minded people thinking of these periods and uses of figures .i myself am considering  operations in Africa especially the later battle of the three kings in 1578.

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Re: Conquistadors in Africa?
« Reply #31 on: 15 February 2017, 10:22:59 AM »
This Osprey could be very interesting !


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Re: Conquistadors in Africa?
« Reply #32 on: 15 February 2017, 10:33:02 AM »
Some drawings of cities visited by Portugueses







(Malacca)


These are cities of Red sea coasts and West indies ...
« Last Edit: 15 February 2017, 10:41:33 AM by Byblos »

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Re: Conquistadors in Africa?
« Reply #33 on: 15 February 2017, 10:39:36 AM »
City of Diu :









Some photos :






And a gate of Malacca :



If you could read French language , there is some very interesting books on the Portuguese empire , if you're interesting i could show you these books (i have a lot of these books) (There is some very good specialists in France about the Portuguese empire)

Offline carlos marighela

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Re: Conquistadors in Africa?
« Reply #34 on: 15 February 2017, 10:50:26 AM »
This Osprey could be very interesting !



Sadly, it's not. In fact it's decidedly second rate. If you want something more substantial in English try C.R. Boxer's The Portuguese Seaborne Empire.
Em dezembro de '81
Botou os ingleses na roda
3 a 0 no Liverpool
Ficou marcado na história
E no Rio não tem outro igual
Só o Flamengo é campeão mundial
E agora seu povo
Pede o mundo de novo

Offline Byblos

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Re: Conquistadors in Africa?
« Reply #35 on: 15 February 2017, 11:10:47 AM »
The portuguese , to fight pirates , used theirs "caravelles" , and for the spices and cie the used large carracks ...

There is only one model kit for 28mm scale : the Caracca Atlantica from Mamoli (Its a carrack from the middle of XVI th century)






(I'm lucky enought to fond one for 80 euros - instead of 250 euros + / The photos are not mine but Mamoli's , the mine is in her box)

This is for large carracks , for smallest caracks you can use Santa maria models :

Amati



Artesiana latina :




Mamoli :



For the "caravelles" , you can use easily models of Nina and Pinta ( 1/50e or 1/65 scale)





(Artesiana latina , Mamoli , Mantua)

The Red sea and West indies ports are full of Chinese junks and Arabs Dhows/Sambuks , there is some models at the right scales :

Artesiana latina :



Corel:


With RAFM you could find usefu l guns :



What is very interesting with the Portuguese in Red sea or West indies , it's the melting of some very inspiring possibilities : a lot of differents ships (Arabs Dhows , Chinese junks , Portuguese caracks and caravelles) , a lot of civilizations (Arabs , Portuguese , Turks , Indus , Chinese and a lot of asiatics) , some very inspiring "paysages" and cities , fortifications , etc ...

Hope this could help/inspire ...






Offline Byblos

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Re: Conquistadors in Africa?
« Reply #36 on: 15 February 2017, 11:16:20 AM »
For my project , i'm going to built a XVI th century fortress (A canon tower like those of Diu ...)





But my priority is RCW and medieval project , so i slowly but surely buy ships and minies for this Portuguese empire project that will be completed in some years ...
« Last Edit: 15 February 2017, 01:59:37 PM by Byblos »

Offline zippyfusenet

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Re: Conquistadors in Africa?
« Reply #37 on: 15 February 2017, 11:35:42 AM »
"Sadly, it's not. In fact it's decidedly second rate."

To tell the truth, I don't read Osprey MAA for the potted history, but for the pretty pictures. I hope this title has some, with useful notes for the plates. I agree that Barker wrote a very good history.

Byblos, that's an impressive collection of drawings, photos and models, thanks for sharing. I notice that both in the photos and as modeled, the stone parapets on the masonry cannon towers are surprisingly thin. They look like they'd be not only useless but actually harmful, shattering into stone shrapnel under cannon fire. Any thoughts on this?
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Offline Byblos

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Re: Conquistadors in Africa?
« Reply #38 on: 15 February 2017, 11:42:37 AM »
Byblos, that's an impressive collection of drawings, photos and models, thanks for sharing. I notice that both in the photos and as modeled, the stone parapets on the masonry cannon towers are surprisingly thin. They look like they'd be not only useless but actually harmful, shattering into stone shrapnel under cannon fire. Any thoughts on this?

Exact, i'm not a specialist but from what i read , Portuguese don't fear really powerful opponents in their Empire and the Indus or Arabs don't have very powerful ships or powerful artillery ... So they don't need very powerful fortification ! And to attack their fortifications , one's will need to win against their navy before  :D

Offline SteveBurt

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Re: Conquistadors in Africa?
« Reply #39 on: 15 February 2017, 11:44:08 AM »
This sort of ship would be suitable:

Offline GamesPoet

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Re: Conquistadors in Africa?
« Reply #40 on: 15 February 2017, 01:43:58 PM »
Thanks for all the photos, and the reading recommendations!

 

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