Concerned about scale creep...

[Commander Vyper]

Before I start to purchase stuff could someone give me an idea of compatibility of scale re the following:

AE-WWII
Westwind
Artizan

Are they all good together in respect of 28mm? Any other companies to consider?

(pics for comparison would be great too!)

Cheers

The Commander

[xeoran]

AE WW2 is the same height as Artizan but much more realisticly proportioned. Artizan minis will look chunky next to them. WW varies into three groups. The early WW2 models were 25-26mm tall, much smaller that AEWW2 and Artizan, the later ones are about Artizan size. The SoTR are a few mm's larger than Artizan.

Have a look here:

http://www.agisn.de/html/mini_comparison.html

[Commander Vyper]

AE WW2 is the same height as Artizan but much more realisticly proportioned. Artizan minis will look chunky next to them. WW varies into three groups. The early WW2 models were 25-26mm tall, much smaller that AEWW2 and Artizan, the later ones are about Artizan size. The SoTR are a few mm's larger than Artizan.

Have a look here:

http://www.agisn.de/html/mini_comparison.html

Good man, so those Vicotry force Vampir Nachtjaeger German troops shouldn't look too far removed from the later westwind and artizan? And those emaciated german experiments from AeWII sohuld look ok too?

The later ww look like a heoric GW scale correct?

Oh dear here comes another collecting are again....


Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!   ::

Cheers for the pointers

The Commander

[Agis]

Whocha, xeoran pointed faster to my side as I!
 :wink:
I would be cautious to mix AeWII with the others. They are much slimmer as xeoran pointed out.
Victoy Force is OK from the size, but not as good scultped.

I can wholeheartly recommend Artizan together with Crusader.
Both line share the same weapons and equipment.

Bolt Action also got a fantastic line  of minis, but are a bit leaner.

[Bhoritz]

Growing figures seems to be a lasting trend. Today, I was reading Knights and Magick rules (published around 1983 if I remember correctly) and foot figures were supposed to be based on 15 mm squares. Which figures can you still base on 15mm squares today?

I am curious if 30mm is the next thing?

[Commander Vyper]

Growing figures seems to be a lasting trend. Today, I was reading Knights and Magick rules (published around 1983 if I remember correctly) and foot figures were supposed to be based on 15 mm squares. Which figures can you still base on 15mm squares today?

I am curious if 30mm is the next thing?

A number of companeis are 30mm now really Black scorpion, Wyrd, and no matter what they say, GW is almost there in the core ranges, try using an RT metal marine with a new plastic...see what you get!

Whocha, xeoran pointed faster to my side as I!
 :wink:
I would be cautious to mix AeWII with the others. They are much slimmer as xeoran pointed out.
Victoy Force is OK from the size, but not as good scultped.

I can wholeheartly recommend Artizan together with Crusader.
Both line share the same weapons and equipment.

Bolt Action also got a fantastic line  of minis, but are a bit leaner.

Thanks for the updates, snipers from AEWII would be ok as they are generally leaner, pushing themselves into cracks and crevices and I suppose the augmented soldats would be ok too. Westwind's SOTTR stuff... ok with Artizan etc... they look a little 'heroic'?

Finally, anyone got a link for crusader?

Cheers

The Commander

[Plynkes]

The Westwind figures I have (US infantry and Wehrmacht) are very 'ickle.

They are lovely figures, but it's pushing it to try and blend them with some of the more recent 28s such as Artizan. They are tiny.


(And this is coming from someone who doesn't normally give a hoot about the mismatching sizes of figures from different ranges.)

[Commander Vyper]

The Westwind figures I have (US infantry and Wehrmacht) are very 'ickle.

They are lovely figures, but it's pushing it to try and blend them with some of the more recent 28s such as Artizan. They are tiny.


(And this is coming from someone who doesn't normally give a hoot about the mismatching sizes of figures from different ranges.)

Those then are the standard WWII minis, the SOTTR stuff is a little bigger I see. So Artizan and crusader for your boggo germans and allies, WW for wierd war stuff, the odd Darkson designs inthere and a shed load of zombies!

[Plynkes]

I'm sorry, I'm so out of the Weird War loop I didn't even realise Westwind did anything along those lines!

I thought you were talking about the regular WWII stuff (you know, for your rank-and-file non-weird troops).

Sorry about that!  :oops:

[Commander Vyper]

I'm sorry, I'm so out of the Weird War loop I didn't even realise Westwind did anything along those lines!

I thought you were talking about the regular WWII stuff (you know, for your rank-and-file non-weird troops).

Sorry about that!  :oops:

No probs, take a look at there Secrets of the Third Reich page, some nice stuff, especially with the SHS heads, (gasmasked heads with field caps, helmets and commander caps).

Cheers

The Commander

[Le matou rouge]

I am curious if 30mm is the next thing?

Of course it is the next BIG thing :mrgreen:
Hell Dorado
Okko
Alkemy
And more...

Meow,
Matt

[Captain Blood]

I am curious if 30mm is the next thing?

It is quite ironic that's where wargames figures have ended up (because, de facto, most are now 30mm or pushing 30mm).

Back in the 70's, the creme de la creme choices were Suren's Willie Figures and Stadden's Tradition range - both 30mm.  

Then along came the early 20mm-25mm manufacturers like Hinton Hunt, Les Higgins, Minifigs and Hinchliffe, who really set the trend for 25mm as the default scale for a couple of decades. Interestingly, their figures were far cruder than Suren's and Stadden's 30mm figures - but a lot cheaper.

What's interesting about those old 'true' 30mm ranges is that they were very slim and elegant sculpts - whereas today's neo-30mm figures have gained the height, but (for the most part) kept the chunky munchkin look of 25mm...

[white knight]

I will, once again, pimp the Weird WW2 showcase for a listing of all the ranges: http://wk.frothersunite.com/sc/pulp/weirdwar.htm

I must say I happily mix a lot of ranges. It isn't really such a problem once you get loads of them all painted and based in the same way.

For regular WW2, that'd be:
- Small: older WestWind (Berlin or Bust), Foundry, Ebob (slimmer), Battle Honours, TAG, Eureka
- Medium: BAM, Newer Artizan, Newer Brigade Games
- Large: Crusader, BTD, Older Artizan, New West Wind, TQD (slimmer)
- XL: Chiltern (chunky)

For Alternative WW2:
- Small: Older Brigade Games, Castaway
- Medium: Newer Brigade Games, BAM, Artizan, Darkson Designs (slimmer), Pulp Figures
- Large: East Riding Miniatures, SOTR, Amazon, TQD (slimmer), Rattrap, Superfigs, Some Heroclix
- XL: Victory Force, Northstar (1/48th, slimmer), Some Heroclix
- XXL: Graven Images

I mix anything from "small" to "large" as most differences can be covered up with the basing. I find it much harder to integrate the ones that are clearly sculpted with slimmer (more realistic) proportions.