Defiance Games USMC Marines!

[zizi666]

 
I was thinking exactly the same.

[tnjrp]

They're quite open about the fact that the product doesn't exist yet.

I'm with supervike here. That "open message" was posted two days ago. Previously you had to go pretty long way into their shop system before to be informed that you are in fact placing a preorder. Now I'm sure it's not illegal to act in such a way but it doesn't scream openess to me.

[CptJake]

I'm with supervike here. That "open message" was posted two days ago. Previously you had to go pretty long way into their shop system before to be informed that you are in fact placing a preorder. Now I'm sure it's not illegal to act in such a way but it doesn't scream openess to me.

No chit.   If I go to a web page and see big bold taxt stating The Few The Proud ARE HERE and then click on the product and the status is In Stock, I would think I had a reasonable expectation that the product was available for purchase and would be delivered. 

I also expect that if In Stock does not mean in stock, and HERE doesn't mean here, that when I bring the issue up with the company (and I have) that the company corrects itself and changes the In Stock status.

Then again, I may not be the most reasonable man.   

[tnjrp]

If I go to a web page and see big bold taxt stating The Few The Proud ARE HERE and then click on the product and the status is In Stock, I would think I had a reasonable expectation that the product was available for purchase and would be delivered

Strictly speaking they are available for purchase - after all you are allowed to place an order for them and even, I believe, will get billed for it... It's just the delivery that is pending but then again they don't promise a delivery date...

[aliensurfer]

apologies to those I labelled as morons for pre-ordering, it was mroe aimed at those who gush over these, the planned stuff and did the same with WF. Obviously people here are of a much higher calibre and are not morons. 

[CptJake]

Strictly speaking they are available for purchase - after all you are allowed to place an order for them and even, I believe, will get billed for it... It's just the delivery that is pending but then again they don't promise a delivery date...

In Stock is a lie.  Flat out.  They are not even produced.   

[CptJake]

apologies to those I labelled as morons for pre-ordering, it was mroe aimed at those who gush over these, the planned stuff and did the same with WF. Obviously people here are of a much higher calibre and are not morons. 

Hey, I can be quite the moron.   

Ask my kids and wife if you don't want to accept my word for it.   

[tnjrp]

In Stock is a lie.  Flat out.  They are not even produced

Well yes, that would be one and I do think I've seen it myself... However there is no mention of them being in stock on the site now that I can see. But you still need to go down to the individual item description to see that it's in fact "PRE-ORDER! Ships late February!"

I assume this last is subject to change, unless anyone has received a shipping notice yet..?

BTW I do believe dwartist (AKA "dwartist UNA" on the bygone Rackham forum AFAIK) is a member here and has a still standing preorder. Might he act as the arbitrator in this little contest thingy we are having?

[CptJake]

Well yes, that would be one and I do think I've seen it myself... However there is no mention of them being in stock on the site now that I can see. But you still need to go down to the individual item description to see that it's in fact "PRE-ORDER! Ships late February!"

I assume this last is subject to change, unless anyone has received a shipping notice yet..?

BTW I do believe dwartist (AKA "dwartist UNA" on the bygone Rackham forum AFAIK) is a member here and has a still standing preorder. Might he act as the arbitrator in this little contect we are having?

http://defiancegames.com/index.php/shop#ecwid:category=1831024&mode=product&product=7831674

SKU  DFG001
In stock
$29.95

Pretty fricking clearly marked as In Stock right this minute.

[aliensurfer]

Hey, I can be quite the moron.   

Ask my kids and wife if you don't want to accept my word for it.   

a better calibre of moron then 

[dijit]

Well yes, that would be one and I do think I've seen it myself... However there is no mention of them being in stock on the site now that I can see. But you still need to go down to the individual item description to see that it's in fact "PRE-ORDER! Ships late February!"

Late february? It's the start of march and still no finished frames to show, not even a finished mold.

They ought to know that wargamers are typically nerds (and we're proud of it) and most nerds value honesty pretty high and this whole story just tastes of dishonesty. Please just be straight and say how it is, a lot of people would value being told what the story really is and might cough up bucks to get a project going if they know what's involved from the start and like the idea (which seems to be the case here).

[CptJake]

Well yes, that would be one and I do think I've seen it myself... However there is no mention of them being in stock on the site now that I can see. But you still need to go down to the individual item description to see that it's in fact "PRE-ORDER! Ships late February!"

I assume this last is subject to change, unless anyone has received a shipping notice yet..?

BTW I do believe dwartist (AKA "dwartist UNA" on the bygone Rackham forum AFAIK) is a member here and has a still standing preorder. Might he act as the arbitrator in this little contest thingy we are having?

Just taken using Snagit:



And it has shown that for weeks.

[Inso]

We are our own worst enemies.

We see a nice picture, get drawn in and immediately want one.

All the warning signs were there from the word go but we all wanted to believe that the whole WGF mess couldn't happen again...

Some of us were trusting enough to place advanced orders in the hope that there was going to be a product on time this time.

You would have thought that all us hobby obsessives would be once bitten, twice shy...

We fell into the trap and cover up our naiavity by arguing about the ins and outs of the deception.

It really doesn't matter about why, how or when... this whole business reeks of dishonesty and deception (whether or not that was the original intention of the company). The only thing that will change that will be the arrival of nicely boxed plastic miniatures (at whatever quality that are made to)...until then, no matter how many renders turn up or promises get made, we just have to make sure we all keep hold of our money until an actual product is on sale and there is physical proof that this company is capable of producing a viable product at all.

It is easy to call people morons for placing an advance order but not everyone was aware of previous problems or business practices...we are all very trusting, after all.

I have put my money into Kickstarter projects and am awaiting the fruits of those labours... I just hope that this debacle doesn't put people off supporting these little ventures because there have been some excellent results from the Kickstarter thing.

Faith is very easily shattered and very difficult to resurrect.

[tnjrp]

Ah quite, the website is language sensitive so it doesn't say "in stock" for me. To be exact, it says "hintatiedot" which is Finnish for "pricing", not "in stock" which would be "varastossa", "saatavilla" or something of that sort

[Dentatus]

What's Finnish for 'sketchy'?