Defiance Games USMC Marines!

[Predatorpt]

The frame area is 3.5" x 4" with 27 cavities (parts). Each frame will give you: 3 legs, 2 torsos, 5 different weapon arms, 4 left arms, 6 heads, 1 backpack, and 6 packs/ammo pouches (2 types). The four round cavities you see on the outside of the frame are 25mm bases.

This is one of the thing that's bothering me - the 25mm bases in the frame. They don't have channels (don't know if that's the correct name) to them, how can they injected with plastic? 

[n815e]

It honestly doesn't make sense.  More spare parts and fewer figures.  You end up paying for a lot ofplastic you aren't going to use because they wouldn't give you one more torso.

[anevilgiraffe]

We're doing something a little different – it's a new plastic manufacturing process and we're very excited by it. We hope to show off the first launches very soon. In the meantime, there is a lot more injection to do!

Re: the USMC frame layout. The Marine set has 24 figures in it. The price of the figures is based on things not related one iota to how many are on a frame. Or what parts are on a frame. If each frame cost $X wouldn't that mean that you would always be better off buying GW Cadians because there are 2 frames per box? Granted, you only get 10 figures for $28 USD…but that's the math.

We sell 24 future USMC for $29.95 USD. That works out to $1.25 USD per figure. Or you can buy those Cadians for $2.80 USD per figure.

The frame design is meant to maximize the possibilities for the ENTIRE set. So you get more legs than torsos because we wanted one set of legs to be more dynamic than the others. However, you would be unhappy if you were FORCED (like most plastic manufacturers make you) to have 1/3 of your figures with a specific set of legs. This way you have the choice of the ratio you want.

If we had added another torso (taking away some other part) to the frame – it would mean that to build an appropriate squad of Marines you would have been short a standard rifle, a full face-mask head, and/or another helmet head.

Frame design (how many parts and what type are on a frame) is a tricky business – and there is a lot of room for choice. We try to maximize your choice by having a good mix of necessary and optional parts.

The VERY last thing we want to do is give you so little choice in your figure set that you actually have to cut something off one figure and glue something else on in order to achieve the variety you want. Such is plastic figures!

In any event, I think you'll like what we came up with! We're on press AT THIS MOMENT! – so we will shortly see the results which we are crossing our fingers are good ones!

Thanks again,
Tony

so there are less marines per sprue for the benefit of the consumer... why are there less backpacks then?

but this...

If we had added another torso (taking away some other part) to the frame – it would mean that to build an appropriate squad of Marines you would have been short a standard rifle, a full face-mask head, and/or another helmet head.

there are 5 weapons arms? one is the big gun, one (looking at the top right corner) I'm not sure about, but there 3 of the standard rifle at the bottom left of that sprue... so you have enough rifles...

now there are 6 heads on that sprue... 2 appear to be bare headed, 4 have helmets... which I have to assume will be of the full face mask and 'other' helmet heads, but as Tony himself has stated that either is fine to field a full squad, all 4 must be suitable... so you have enough heads...

if the helmets are all different designs, how does that help make a unified squad? what army equips it's units with different helmets?

[matakishi]

You're asking these questions like you expect some sort or answer 
It appears from a distance as if Defiance couldn't do anything right if their business depended on it...oh, wait...

[zizi666]

This is one of the thing that's bothering me - the 25mm bases in the frame. They don't have channels (don't know if that's the correct name) to them, how can they injected with plastic? 

Look again.
There are holes just in front of each base. material flows into the cavities through these holes. The sprue is actualy stuck in the mold
They do that so the base would cut lose from the sprue during ejection. (it's only a fraction of a mm thick at that injection point so breaks easily)
We use a similar design in several of our molds at work. It saves the time of cutting the products from the sprue.

[CptJake]

Why would they need four bases for a two figure sprue?

By the way, don't those test sprues look fantastic!   

[tnjrp]

what test sprues?

One assumes that was sarcasm... No news of any test sprues from yesterday. Maybe today, eh?

[tnjrp]

In the related news, DG is apparently working with TrollForged to get the Bugs (that are "in tooling" according to the website) out. Should we make a bet as to if they come out before the Marines?

[Dr.Falkenhayn]

i would not be surprised if the Bugs comes before the Marines 

posted on 7th March...that was so predictable  
Troll forged?i dont know,over all im slightly disappointed with their Quality,i have most of their Resin Mutants they have crisp details but all the separate Hands/Weapons/Head Parts  are nothing but crap.No doubt they can handle the Bugs,not so confident about Multipart "Human" Models though-All of the Troll Forged Soldiers i have were Metal Minis  

[Commander Vyper]

Ooh, I'm so excited to see the test run results tomorrow...
http://defiancegames.com/index.php/news/item/usmc-mold-ready-for-testing

Doesn't the fact that this still looks like an MS paint quality cut and crop pic bother anyone? And the fact that there appears to be more detail on the underside of the bases than there uber amazing bestest USA rules marines evvvvvaaaaaaa!!!!

[CptJake]

what test sprues?

You mean you missed them???!!!!???      

Yeah, me too, and sarcasm is hard On Da Webz.


I'm in for my TFL Hugh Jarce figure and March 23 if that date is open.

[tnjrp]

Doesn't the fact that this still looks like an MS paint quality cut and crop pic bother anyone?

I'm more bothered by the fact that there doesn't appear to be any way to get the plastic to the so-called "bases". If they are in fact bases and not some sort of alignment plugs.

If it is a fake it's a poorly done one. If it's the real deal and the round thingies are bases, it's not finished yet. If it's the real deal and the round things aren't bases, then whoever wrote the news blurb doesn't know what he's talking about. None of those options inspires confidence, but then again I'm sure there are other ones I'm missing.

[CptJake]

I had offered the figure but don't think I pinned down an exact date, it was a 'after the bugs' type answer I think (though I'm too lazy to go look right now).

[Dewbakuk]

The sig doesn't appear in every post. I think it's once per page or something similar.

[CptJake]

I sure didn't remove it.