Defiance Games USMC Marines!

[Dr.Falkenhayn]

half-hour?

x24 

[DoctorPete]

Maybe only a 1/2 hour for someone experienced in sculpting and converting figs.  I would take considerably longer to do the work shown...and likely ruin some figures in the process.

[Verderer]

Well, I said pages ago these would suck big time. There you go, complete crap minis.

[Andrew May]

half-hour? Bear in mind too that the pics are huge!

But why would you choose to buy minis that need resculpting to make them barely passable?
I mean, if you bought 24 metal minis that needed 12hrs work on them before you could even prime them would you even bother?

[Xeno_RG]

I got two sample sprues in yesterday and immediately assembled them and took some comparison shots.


With Cadians and Marines


Tyranids and a Sentinel


With a 2010 Chimera


Mantic Marauder and Forge Father


WGF Shock Trooper and a Reaper Ogre ("Bones" line)


WGF Zombies


WGF Persian and Mantic Skeleton


Tau Fire Warrior and Kroot


Stealth Suit and Crisis Suit


EM-4 Plastic Troopers

[Sangennaru]

ok well, they are not THAT bad, better than the EM4 and such....

But they shurely don't deserve a 45-pages-long post. Just some decent plastic. I probably won't buy it, but i can understand why people would want to buy them.

[robh]

 

Oh dear god, that is a real step backwards in quality for plastic figures. It will take someone with a real paintbrush skill and a lot of time and effort to make that dross look passable.

Even worse than I was expecting. (and given its pedigree I wasn't expecting a whole lot)

[Dewbakuk]

But why would you choose to buy minis that need resculpting to make them barely passable?
I mean, if you bought 24 metal minis that needed 12hrs work on them before you could even prime them would you even bother?

Think about who you're talking to, the answer is probably yes

I don't think they look too bad, a bit soft and probably not good enough for me to buy but not terrible.

[Ettrick]

ok well, they are not THAT bad, better than the EM4 and such....

But they shurely don't deserve a 45-pages-long post. Just some decent plastic. I probably won't buy it, but i can understand why people would want to buy them.

Of course, much of the 45 pages seems to be a few people working to convince others that there were really no minis coming and Defiance was a scam.

My perspective on this is that more options is always good.  I was happy to see Mantic starting up.  I watch for new stuff from Perry, Bolt Action, Warlord.  Are these museum quality display pieces?  No.  Do they offer value for the cost?  Yes.  Am I a display painter who needs minis from only the supreme sculptor in the industry?  No.  I want to play games with minis that don't cost me 10 quid per.

[Dr.Falkenhayn]

wow,the Reaper  Plastic Troll Guy is awesome,have to watch this Line 
i found some Minis  slightly uglier than the DG Marines:
Plastic Blood Berets from 1992 

[dwartist]

"But why would you choose to buy minis that need resculpting to make them barely passable?" because of the conversion potential; because I'm a modeller and painter and feel I have the requisite modelling and painting skills to improve them. I still think that even with a decent PJ they're more than passable
"I mean, if you bought 24 metal minis that needed 12hrs work on them before you could even prime them would you even bother?" Yes - If I liked the minis enough.
Don't like 'em? Don't buy 'em!

[Xeno_RG]

Don't like 'em? Don't buy 'em!

You mean we have personal choice in what models we buy?

MADNESS!

[Sangennaru]

You mean we have personal choice in what models we buy?

MADNESS!

hahaha, Xeno is right, sadly

Anyway, we're here to express opinions, and so we are doing. I always avoided to offend Tony or WF, and i've been quite neutral. Now i've seen them and i can say that i don't like them,

Maybe painted by you dwartist they will become gold (that's quite often with your superb miniatures), but for now that's my opinion =)

[Andrew May]

That's fair enough Dwarty but it just seems bonkers to buy minis that need so much work to make them worth painting. :shrug:

[supervike]

Well, now I'm a bit more undecisive.

When I saw the big blow ups of Dwartist's on Frothers I was turned off, but now seeing Xeno's pics, I'm back to thinking that they look halfway decent.

I guess I'll wait and see now.

As many things here on the interwebs get blown out of proportion, this whole episode turns out to be a tempest in a teacup.