Defiance Games USMC Marines!

[DoctorPete]

Tax collector?   

[Dr.Falkenhayn]

Cop? 

[Dr Mathias]

Main Force Patrol?

[aliensurfer]

you want to know something funny. I had my workers comp case (got badly injured at work) start about the same time they announced these in Nov last year and it will be finished this friday god willing. This means public servants are working faster to get a result than DG. I used to think nothing in the universe is as slow as a public servant doing something quickly. Now I have to readjust my entire world view. Considering I work in the most retarded, useless and self serving department in the country where the average IQ is not over 85 I find this stunning. If I named the department i work for every aussie on this board would agree with the above comments about them. It's the most hated department in the country by a country mile.   

Immigration? If so, slip my application form in as passed and cleared as okay, I know being a Pom will count against me, but even I have to be better than most of what you guys get coming in - for a start I am a wargamer 

[aliensurfer]

a slab? Of what? 

[CptJake]

a slab? Of what? 

Obviously of smoked ribs!



 

[Ragnar]

a slab? Of what? 

I am sorry, but you have just failed your entrance exam.

[Varangian]

Bull crap, pure and simple bull crap.

http://www.marines.mil/news/publications/Documents/MCO%205030.3B.pdf

Unles 1997 was 6 months ago...  And there were similar policies in effect even before that.  The actual approval process may evolve, and how they take payment and what they do with it may evolve, but the USMC has always been protective of their logo and associated imagery.  

The order you linked to doesn't mention a licensing program, or a fee for using their intellectual property. All that was required was permission, which is not the same thing by a long shot. Did you miss that fact?

In late 2007 the DoD established the directive for each branch to create a Trademark office. The Marine Corps Trademark Licensing Office was created in 2009. Just after that was the first hint that a fee could, and would, be charged. As of November 2009 the Marine Corps was still issuing agreement letters to use the Marine Corps insignia for commercial purposes, with no fee. A month later the program was changed.

So, you're right about one thing. I was wrong about the six months. It was about two and a half years ago. Oops.

So, since no fee was collected in the past, ever, that is a pretty significant change I think. I could see how someone else would disagree.

Certainly didn't warrant someone being a dick about it.

For those that are curious: The Marine Corps Trademark and Licensing Program FAQ http://www.marines.mil/unit/divpa/tmlo/Pages/faq.aspx More information can be found in the banner on the left.

Also, a great Blog post talking about the development of the issue: http://rovinghistorian.blogspot.com/2009/12/marine-corps-restricts-use-of-emblems.html He has a great set of resources throughout the post and at the bottom.

[Varangian]

We went over that already mate. It was one look at Wikki that established the facts around the marine IP. Hence my apology to Mat. If it only took a look at Wikki then Tony should of been up to speed without being told.

I was referring to a different instance, it was ridiculous, so I responded as such

Yeah, hopefully this sort of thing won't be an issue. Unfortunately with what they're charging it's got me not at all interested in doing an "official" project like this.

Luckily those WW2 Jarheads are too small to see their EGA's on their uniforms.

[tnjrp]

Meanwhile on the Marines front... Another day, another video. But still no product really actually factually going out.
http://www.defiancegames.com/index.php/news/item/how-boxes-are-made

Oh well, Tony - according to Xeno_RG - did say it's going to take until next week so we'll just have to be patient

[CptJake]

The order you linked to doesn't mention a licensing program, or a fee for using their intellectual property. All that was required was permission, which is not the same thing by a long shot. Did you miss that fact?

In late 2007 the DoD established the directive for each branch to create a Trademark office. The Marine Corps Trademark Licensing Office was created in 2009. Just after that was the first hint that a fee could, and would, be charged. As of November 2009 the Marine Corps was still issuing agreement letters to use the Marine Corps insignia for commercial purposes, with no fee. A month later the program was changed.

So, you're right about one thing. I was wrong about the six months. It was about two and a half years ago. Oops.

So, since no fee was collected in the past, ever, that is a pretty significant change I think. I could see how someone else would disagree.

Certainly didn't warrant someone being a dick about it.

For those that are curious: The Marine Corps Trademark and Licensing Program FAQ http://www.marines.mil/unit/divpa/tmlo/Pages/faq.aspx More information can be found in the banner on the left.

Also, a great Blog post talking about the development of the issue: http://rovinghistorian.blogspot.com/2009/12/marine-corps-restricts-use-of-emblems.html He has a great set of resources throughout the post and at the bottom.

Except my link DID show that the USMC DID require express permission to use their logo as far back as 1997.  It clearly lays out the requirement and the process.  To claim the logo and even the USMC were not protected when Tony allegedly checked is asinine.   To claim he didn't find a requirement to pay so blew off the required approval process, or didn't look at all to find the required process is probably accurate.   The image and initials WERE protected as far back as 1997.  Period.   Tony had NO excuse to not seek the required permission.  That is not me being a dick, that is me stating fact.   Covering for Tony's lack of dilligence is silly.  He screwed up.

[chromedog]

If I named the department i work for every aussie on this board would agree with the above comments about them. It's the most hated department in the country by a country mile.   

Centrelink, right?  The former department of zee SS (cultural inheritors of the DSS mantle?)
I've seen angry maori.  You do NOT want to be near them.   Goes for most of the Pacific islanders, really.

[Varangian]

Except my link DID show that the USMC DID require express permission to use their logo as far back as 1997.  It clearly lays out the requirement and the process.  To claim the logo and even the USMC were not protected when Tony allegedly checked is asinine.   To claim he didn't find a requirement to pay so blew off the required approval process, or didn't look at all to find the required process is probably accurate.   The image and initials WERE protected as far back as 1997.  Period.   Tony had NO excuse to not seek the required permission.  That is not me being a dick, that is me stating fact.   Covering for Tony's lack of dilligence is silly.  He screwed up.

Ahhhh.... I was never trying to cover for a lack of due diligence. I think that might be where that misunderstanding is coming from, on both sides.

So, my apologies.

[Splod]

You win the quipe doll. Biggist pack of arseclowns I have ever worked for.

Ha... Just dealing with them now for the first time in my life. I'm in the process of applying to transfer to the full time Army from the Reserves and my civie boss wasn't too happy with me telling him I'd be leaving soon, hence no work and me in the dolle que. At the rate these jokers are going I'll have been full time for months before I get a cent out of Centre-wank.

[Xeno_RG]

We went over that already mate. It was one look at Wikki that established the facts around the marine IP. Hence my apology to Mat. If it only took a look at Wikki then Tony should of been up to speed without being told.

I wonder if wikipedia existed when he did is research?