(KICKSTARTER) Mike McVey "Sedition Wars"

[gi6ers]

are they producing the sculpts for sale individually in a less crappy material?

Bet the McVeys are embarrassed (and rich)..

[tnjrp]

They seem have been doing limited edition style resin versions of some of their forthcoming stuff. I think they had a Commander Grist on sale at some con for example. There was also a limited run of the Samaritans that came out a few months prior to the KS announcement. I can't recall if there ever was a different material Cthonian. No idea if they are going to be making any/more of either of those at some point. All of the other core set minis are remakes of regular releases IIRC.

[rwwin]

are they producing the sculpts for sale individually in a less crappy material?

Bet the McVeys are embarrassed (and rich)..

Embarrassed, sure, given the posts on the McVey forum.  Rich?  I doubt it.  Given the number of glitches and problems the campaign suffered (such as the original printer stealing money without delivering product) it may be possible that they lost money on the Kickstarter.

[Andrew May]

It's the restic recasting, it shrinks models by 10% or so. Sculptors need to learn to sculpt around the size loss, until then you get...well...these

Really? What "restic/resin" are they using?!? Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me. Are those super skinny ones digital sculpts? Looks like what happens when you shrink a perfectly proportioned digi figure down that small, all the details disapeer and suddenly it's a "stick person", notice the KW sculpt had survived quite favourably.

[hubbabubba]

Well said.

All of these were traditional sculpts if I'm not mistaken. They just haven't translated into this awful material as well as the chunkier KW sculpts.

If mine are as bad as the ones in that photo, I'll be returning them and asking for a refund on the extras paind for them.

They look atrocious, like they're not even in the same scale.

Hope it's not as bad first hand. I'm due delivery on Friday...

P.s. Noticed in the thread on the McVey forum that all the models painted by Golem studio looked suspiciously like the limited resins rather than this restic shite, poor show, leads people to believe they're getting quality casts.

[Too Bo Coo]

I dont get it, why go with crap material over plastic?  Is plastic THAT expensive??

[Ajsalium]

The molds for usual polysterene plastic are really expensive. We're talking thousands of euros for each mold.

These hybrid materials can be cast with much cheaper molds, as far as I know.

[Ray Rivers]

These hybrid materials can be cast with much cheaper molds, as far as I know.

Well... that is the kind of information people need to know about before they throw money at them. 

Borders on fraud... wouldn't you say?

In the "All's Quiet on the Martian Front" kickstarter the designers stated up front that they needed the money to make plastic molds.

[rwwin]

Well... that is the kind of information people need to know about before they throw money at them. 

And it was.  It was stated clearly that they were going to use this material, not GW style hard styrene.

[manatic]

The molds for usual polysterene plastic are really expensive. We're talking thousands of euros for each mold.

This. You'd think that a Kickstarter raking in millions would warrant making molds for polystyrene, as the high price point tends to be the biggest detriment.

And it was.  It was stated clearly that they were going to use this material, not GW style hard styrene.

I think the real issue was that they advertised it as being just as good with detail and as easy to work with as other materials.

[rwwin]

I think the real issue was that they advertised it as being just as good with detail and as easy to work with as other materials.

I believe it's fair to say that CMON pumped the "value" angle and downplayed the drawbacks of restic, but they didn't actually hide it as Ray intimated.  From my perspective this is a two way street.  There are plenty of pledgers who didn't dig into all of the details, but just looked at pretty pictures and followed the "shut up and take my money" meme.  On the other hand CMON seems to have been happy with uninformed customers.  I guess my point is that there's plenty of blame on both sides if a pledger wasn't happy with the restic material.

[zizi666]

The molds for usual polysterene plastic are really expensive. We're talking thousands of euros for each mold.

These hybrid materials can be cast with much cheaper molds, as far as I know.

That. You need steel molds for plastic injection molding due to the high pressures needed to keep them shut while injecting. Then there's also the problem of the temperature. There's lots of cooling circuits in those mold so the sprues would cool down evenly and not warp when extracting AND to be able to maintain a decent production cycle.
Sure you could build a mold without internal cooling but then you'd have cycles of tens of minutes. hardly productive.
At work I once heard our most expensive molds are situated in the regions of €250.000, while the average is still somewhere around €75.000

[Ray Rivers]

I believe it's fair to say that CMON pumped the "value" angle and downplayed the drawbacks of restic, but they didn't actually hide it as Ray intimated.  From my perspective this is a two way street.  There are plenty of pledgers who didn't dig into all of the details, but just looked at pretty pictures and followed the "shut up and take my money" meme.  On the other hand CMON seems to have been happy with uninformed customers.  I guess my point is that there's plenty of blame on both sides if a pledger wasn't happy with the restic material.

Sorry, mate.

A supposedly reputable miniature maker of very high quality pumps out shit and... it's MY fault?

[zizi666]

Sorry, mate.

A supposedly reputable miniature maker of very high quality pumps out shit and... it's MY fault?

I'm with Ray on this one.
The only thing you can accuse us of is trusting said reputable miniature maker of very high quality to keep up his high standards.
Now, if he tries to raise money for a second wave and we all jump in, then you'd have a point.

[rwwin]

Sorry, mate.

A supposedly reputable miniature maker of very high quality pumps out shit and... it's MY fault?

Then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.  I looked at the kickstarter, got excited, dug into the details, found out the material was restic and dialed back my expectations accordingly.  The miniatures I received were pretty much the miniatures I was expecting.

I guess I take exception with the description that CMON were a "reputable" minis manufacturer.  At the time of the sedition wars kickstarter, CMON was mostly a distributor of other peoples figures.  Zombicide hadn't been delivered yet so the only existing board game with their name on was Super Dungeon Explore.  If you think sedition wars was disappointing, then the first edition of super dungeon explore was even worse, with a flimsy clamshell box, terrible cards made out of inferior paper stock and yes miniatures that were at the time described as, terrible and a nightmare.

Anyone that jumped into this kickstarter on the strength of Mike McVey's reputation alone without taking into account CMON and their reputation was being naive.