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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #15 on: 14 March 2013, 06:30:20 AM »
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To echo CommissarMoody, that is a great idea. I have actually completed the templates for the full building but it is quite large and would be extremely pricey to make (probably around $200).
Perhaps in case of such expensive building sets, it will be easier  to sell just building plans? Laser cutting now is easily available in most cities of the world.
This will eliminate expences of making and shipping of such big and heavy building sets.

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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #16 on: 14 March 2013, 06:41:09 AM »
or simply provide the digital data for 3D printing?
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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #17 on: 14 March 2013, 06:56:25 AM »
Perhaps in case of such expensive building sets, it will be easier  to sell just building plans? Laser cutting now is easily available in most cities of the world. This will eliminate expences of making and shipping of such big and heavy building sets
Yep, for example these fine corners (albeit ruined, I'd personally prefer intact too) are made on the wrong continent. It used to make some sense to order even fairly big items from overseas until the recent upswings in p&p coincided with the normalization of the local customs practices with the rest of EU and the increase in VAT.

Not that I know anything about the local options for laser cutting nor yet about the pricing thereof. Those might well be nonexistent for the former and exhorbitant for the latter.

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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #18 on: 14 March 2013, 07:19:16 AM »
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Not that I know anything about the local options for laser cutting nor yet about the pricing thereof. Those might well be nonexistent for the former and exhorbitant for the latter.

There is at least one company in Finland, which offers such services: http://www.lasercutstudio.com/home.html

And i m sure there is more of them if you google them in finnish. :)


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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #19 on: 14 March 2013, 07:23:32 AM »
There is at least one company in Finland, which offers such services: http://www.lasercutstudio.com/home.html
Thx. There's also some kind of laser cutting operation not more than 5 klicks from where I live but I have no idea if they cater for individual consumers' small time needs.

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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #20 on: 14 March 2013, 08:37:32 AM »
Yep, for example these fine corners (albeit ruined, I'd personally prefer intact too) are made on the wrong continent. It used to make some sense to order even fairly big items from overseas until the recent upswings in p&p coincided with the normalization of the local customs practices with the rest of EU and the increase in VAT.

Not that I know anything about the local options for laser cutting nor yet about the pricing thereof. Those might well be nonexistent for the former and exhorbitant for the latter.

Well, worldwide shipping is $4.80 per building so it is not too bad I think.

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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #21 on: 14 March 2013, 08:42:27 AM »
or simply provide the digital data for 3D printing?
I like Your buildings

I would love to figure out some way that I could trust your local laser cutter to only cut the file once and then delete the file. That would totally eliminate the postage hassle. Then I would do that.

But to send them (or you) the file, after the hours and hours of work and considerable expense it has taken me to get it right would be madness - unless I assumed that you would cut it, say, 10 times and then marked the cost of the file up by 10 times... I have no idea how this would work.

It would be a little like GW sending you the 3D printing file for the rhino so that you did not have to order it from them.

But you are right, it seems that this old fashioned system of goods being produced far away from where they are used is crazy now that we have the technology to send the information to build the goods anywhere.

I am open to ideas on this point.

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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #22 on: 14 March 2013, 08:54:38 AM »
Well, worldwide shipping is $4.80 per building so it is not too bad I think
Unfortunately that only means that I can barely float the corner ruin #1 past the customs without paying 30+% up top so not much help there I'm afraid.

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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #23 on: 14 March 2013, 09:08:24 AM »
Unfortunately that only means that I can barely float the corner ruin #1 past the customs without paying 30+% up top so not much help there I'm afraid.

What is the postage threshold for customs?

Also, as a general point, all my products are not sent as parcels they are sent as letters (documents) which do not normally attract customs duties (but every country is different)

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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #24 on: 14 March 2013, 09:13:21 AM »
For most products it's 22.5 €, including p&p. The customs fee goes on top of that and then the VAT goes on top of all that for a total of ca. 30% extra.

Not every parcel gets taken but if the whole value is listed on the tin (as it should be, not everybody puts it in tho) and is over the limit then it really should be taken in and charged for or I should be angry about how customs office doesn't do the job I pay for with my tax money 8)

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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #25 on: 14 March 2013, 09:52:26 AM »
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I would love to figure out some way that I could trust your local laser cutter to only cut the file once and then delete the file. That would totally eliminate the postage hassle. Then I would do that.

But to send them (or you) the file, after the hours and hours of work and considerable expense it has taken me to get it right would be madness - unless I assumed that you would cut it, say, 10 times and then marked the cost of the file up by 10 times... I have no idea how this would work.

Anyone with basic knowledge of Sketchup can easily make as many copies of buildings from finished products as they like. So i don`t think that selling them only as finished product  will eliminate your concerns of making too many copies by your customers.
Now so many companies sells electronic versions of their products, that i think there is some profit in this. Otherwise, they would not do so.
You only need to find working solution which will meet your expectations with expectations from your customers.





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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #26 on: 14 March 2013, 10:01:14 AM »
Anyone with basic knowledge of Sketchup can easily make as many copies of buildings from finished products as they like
Yubsels. Not sure about if "basic knowledge" is sufficient tho but all the same. And with 3D printing possibly on the verge of becoming feasible at home the situation will continue to develop in that direction.

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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #27 on: 14 March 2013, 10:35:55 AM »
The reimbursment of development effort is of course a very valid point.
The chance I see here is cooperation with other companies in the specific country which can laser cut or Print.
I don't know how, but for instance Company B offer ready to print vehicles

maybe You check this out?

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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #28 on: 14 March 2013, 10:36:12 AM »
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Yubsels. Not sure about if "basic knowledge" is sufficient tho but all the same. And with 3D printing possibly on the verge of becoming feasible at home the situation will continue to develop in that direction.
Speaking of basic knowledge,  guys in our local wargaming club started to make good looking buildings for our projects after looking at these sketchup tutorials:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPkv9tRuO-c&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS11K5PgHkc&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwJntmJxi78&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc0yunYvM7U&feature=youtu.be
So basic is quite fitting word for this level of expertise.  :)
Now i`m also fall on this bait. And started building  couple of houses myself.  
Hope to show them on this forum in the future.
With all of  these impressive technologies like 3d printing and laser cutting we are  heading  to a golden age of terrain building. :)
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Re: Art Deco corner ruins (28mm scale)
« Reply #29 on: 14 March 2013, 04:50:20 PM »
For most products it's 22.5 €, including p&p. The customs fee goes on top of that and then the VAT goes on top of all that for a total of ca. 30% extra.

Not every parcel gets taken but if the whole value is listed on the tin (as it should be, not everybody puts it in tho) and is over the limit then it really should be taken in and charged for or I should be angry about how customs office doesn't do the job I pay for with my tax money 8)

Nope VAT is 6% for books and paperware, and since this is technicaly cardboard and as such paper...
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