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Offline archangel1

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« on: April 12, 2008, 08:24:26 AM »
Found this interesting pic of Field Marshall Allenby entering Jerusalem on Dec.11,1917.  Check out the hat on the guy at left!

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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2008, 08:31:42 AM »
he looks like an Italian to me
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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2008, 05:05:21 PM »
And is that a Frenchman behind him too ?
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2008, 05:50:02 PM »
Of course, Allenby had Italian and French troops in his army, and their higher-ups would bound to be around for a big PR show like that.  :)
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2008, 01:38:49 PM »
I don't think the second man, behind the Bersaglieri officer, is a Frenchman. The kepi is the wrong shape.  

The shape of the kepi and the hint of collar markings suggest, to me at least, an Italian colonel, either in colonial service (the dark collar might indicate Cacciatore di Africa) or of artillery if there is a black eagle-like badge on the kepi.  

I would really like to know more about the photo and about the Italian troops in Allenby's army.

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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2008, 01:14:40 AM »
I thought that Field Marshal Allenby dismounted and entered Jerusalem on foot.

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2008, 05:43:14 AM »
Hi!

I think looking at the fellow behind the Italian is an Italian Carabinieri Guardie in cap.

This would make sense as both types of Italian troops were there in theatre.

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Offline archangel1

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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2008, 06:23:29 AM »
Quote from: "Helen Bachaus"
Hi!

I think looking at the fellow behind the Italian is an Italian Carabinieri Guardie in cap.

This would make sense as both types of Italian troops were there in theatre.

Helen


Did anybody download the .tiff file? It's huge! If you look at it at full magnification, the figure Helen mentions is also wearing shorts.  The rifle appears to be identical to those carried by the British troops.  Did the Italians use the same weapon? Maybe they're Scots with a toorie on their bonnets?

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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2008, 07:28:28 AM »
Quote from: "archangel1"
Quote from: "Helen Bachaus"
Hi!

I think looking at the fellow behind the Italian is an Italian Carabinieri Guardie in cap.

This would make sense as both types of Italian troops were there in theatre.

Helen


Did anybody download the .tiff file? It's huge! If you look at it at full magnification, the figure Helen mentions is also wearing shorts.  The rifle appears to be identical to those carried by the British troops.  Did the Italians use the same weapon? Maybe they're Scots with a toorie on their bonnets?


not the Scots, but directly behind the front Italian 8)

Offline Arcticman

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2008, 06:59:49 PM »
Thank You Helen for clearing up the Italians for me. :)
Always good to get correct info for people in the know  8)  

Do you know of any books that include the Italians in the Palestinan campaign?

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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2008, 11:39:38 PM »
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Thank You Helen for clearing up the Italians for me. :)
Always good to get correct info for people in the know  8)  

Do you know of any books that include the Italians in the Palestinan campaign?


Hi Articman,

The Osprey book on the WW1 Italian Army is a good start:

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/title_detail.php/title=S3985~ser=MAA~per=44

Here is a link from our Sideshows Group:

http://digilander.libero.it/fiammecremisi/guerra1/172.htm

Helen

 

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