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Offline Harrymason

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Looking for Prussian pioneers
« on: July 11, 2013, 12:43:42 AM »
I am looking for models for Prussian pioneers (or whatever they are called :P ). Can anyone help? I do not have any real sculpting talent, so I canĀ“t make my own. 

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6Ce9ktngwdQ/TJQzOC4DA0I/AAAAAAAAAyk/BHXkttqxKog/s1600/SilesianLandwehr.jpg
(The guy with the apron)

Offline Arthur

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Re: Looking for Prussian pioneers
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2013, 01:49:10 AM »
He was called a Zimmermann, which means carpenter in German (pl. Zimmerleute). The Prussian army had apparently abolished them in 1788, then changed its mind and reintroduced sappers in 1796.

The one shown in your link is a Landwehr sapper/pioneer, but they also obviously existed in line infantry regiments, each musketeer and grenadier company having two Zimmerleute. To the best of my knowledge, noone produces such figures, not even Calpe who have the most extensive Prussian range around.

This is typically the sort of figure Kawe & Co at Westfalia Miniatures could be enticed to produce, though. I'd drop Kawe a line if I were you, just to see if he is interested.   

Offline Harrymason

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Re: Looking for Prussian pioneers
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2013, 02:11:10 AM »
Ok, thanks! :)

Offline PAULSPENCE

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Re: Looking for Prussian pioneers
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2013, 07:25:52 AM »
Bonjour,

I bring good tidings as Calpe (who make the best Prussians) do produce a Landwehr pioneer figure and they look wonderful in my Landwehr battalions!

At http://www.calpeminiatures.co.uk/sub-veterans/prussian_landwehr_infantry.html you can see it listed as PL31.

Which reminds me I must ask Peter at Calpe for some caisson riders with my next order as they do look great.

Cheers,

Paul

Offline Arthur

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Re: Looking for Prussian pioneers
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2013, 12:27:14 PM »
Oops, my mistake. I only looked at the Calpe line infantry sub-section and neglected to check out the Landwehr. Some sources state that line infantry regiments no longer had Zimmerleute after 1808, which would account for Calpe not offering any. But pioneers seem to have survived in the Landwehr at least.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2013, 12:38:02 PM by Arthur »

Offline Harrymason

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Re: Looking for Prussian pioneers
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2013, 08:10:16 PM »
Happy days!  :D

Looking into calpe right now.

 

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