Warlord (Pro-gloria) plastic Landsknechte

[JamesValentine]

I know nothing about promises...but I suppose compared to other plastic landsnekts....oh wait

But *shrigs* I find the entire gaming community these days has become sour and bitter. Guess I'm glad I cannot play anymore

[mweaver]

I ordered a set, with some of the metal officers.  I do like 'em.

-Michael

[Condottiere]

Indeed I think they are brilliant and it's amusing that all the positive comments before have turned sour for no reason other that it being Standard Operating Procedure for the fickle audience of LAF.

But if they don't want them for the daft stupid reasons so far listed I'm more than happy to let the sour old goats buy me a box each

I guess if one's a know nothing who views things through rose-tinted glasses, these must be the best thing since sliced bread...

I didn't realize that this is a no critique zone safe space of sockish sycophancy...

You may want to avert your eyes...



The figure on the left has an Union Jack on his chest, it's as if the sculptor couldn't decide on this landsknecht's allegiance...

The figure on the front left left base has shoulders that should be attached to a leather doublet...

The designer couldn't decide on making early or middle landsknechts, so figures with elaborate hose from the 1520s and arms from the 1490s...

Feathers, did I cover plummage already? For a group that relied on flamboyant accessories, what we get are random creases on putty. IIRC, when this was pointed out in the Kickstarter, then Pro Gloria offered to sell proper feathers separately - why not get it right the first time.    

There's an obvious difference in quality between the former Pro Gloria metals and plastics and has to do with the sculptor...

[Condottiere]

James I think some of the problem was that so much was promised by the original company and any landsknecht and renaissance figures are up against the cult of the Perry's.

Personally I find quite a lot of the Perry figures boring and wooden but that is just a personal view.

How about critiquing these figures on their own merits and then dragging out the Perry comparison? The mishmash slashed clothing is on par with the mediocre stuff put out by Foundry with the Condottiere rules...

Simply accepting them as great, because there are no other plastic landsknechts is ridiculous...

BTW, there are other plastic landskhnects, albeit in 1:72 scale...



 

[General Lee]

I've had these types of discussions before, about the generic plastic ACW infantry by the Perry's for instance and the Wargames Factory AWI British infantry (now Warlord)

In the end, I really like these figures and I know I'm going to enjoy putting them together, doing conversions and painting them. They'll be for a fantasy army so historical accuracy is not an issue for me (this time)

[Codsticker]

I cannot argue with the quality of the feather sculpting or the (possibly) anachronistic sleeve/hose styles but:

The figure on the left has an Union Jack on his chest, it's as if the sculptor couldn't decide on this landsknecht's allegiance...

That is obviously slashing, not a Union Jack .

The figure on the front left left base has shoulders that should be attached to a leather doublet...

I am pretty sure that the front left figure of the left hand base is wearing (what is supposed to be) a leather doublet. The figure beside him looks he has the arms that match the leather doublet though. If that is the case, that is a mistake by the person who assembled the models, not the fault of the sculptor.

[Condottiere]

I cannot argue with the quality of the feather sculpting or the (possibly) anachronistic sleeve/hose styles but:That is obviously slashing, not a Union Jack .

You missed the part about allegiance...

Either a saltire/St. Andrew cross or a sewn on St. George red cross for Imperialists or an equilateral one for everyone else, but not both slashed on the same space. I also thought it a crude Star of Vergina - Macedonian Landsknects...

I am pretty sure that the front left figure of the left hand base is wearing (what is supposed to be) a leather doublet. The figure beside him looks he has the arms that match the leather doublet though. If that is the case, that is a mistake by the person who assembled the models, not the fault of the sculptor.

Based on the 3 up, it's not leather. The painter painted the torso down to the codpiece as if it's all one material. The one on the right's shoulders might match a leather doublet, but it looks more like this:

 

The leather doublet should look lime this, though the tassets look oversized...

[Condottiere]

I've had these types of discussions before, about the generic plastic ACW infantry by the Perry's for instance and the Wargames Factory AWI British infantry (now Warlord)

In the end, I really like these figures and I know I'm going to enjoy putting them together, doing conversions and painting them. They'll be for a fantasy army so historical accuracy is not an issue for me (this time)

I branched out into historics from fantasy, Warhammer and D&D, so have no issue with it and sometimes the former appears fantastic in comparison and the latter mundane. The generic ACW infantry, with some modification, are a great base for other 19th Century troops. My issue is with sloppiness...   

[moonshado]

After such a long wait they are a tad of a disappointment. Why did Warlords buy these off Pro Gloria and then not use half of the dollies that were already made up and instead just botch together some badly designed arms etc? I hope that everyone appreciates that a lot of the original Pro Gloria content has not been used, which is so sad. This seems to be a regular occurrence with Warlord they bought the marvelous Paul Hick's figures of The Knights of Malta at the Great Seige of Malta and managed to completely ruin those now these Landesknechts. If they don't want to do the ranges justice, why buy them, hold them in cold storage for years until all the initial enthusiasm has waned, then produce a mediocre facsimile of the original concept?

[bluechi]

@moon...     that makes me altough very sad...  i hope Stefan makes some artallerie and some mounted Knights in the future....and warlord Keep away.

[Captain Blood]

After such a long wait they are a tad of a disappointment. Why did Warlords buy these off Pro Gloria and then not use half of the dollies that were already made up and instead just botch together some badly designed arms etc? I hope that everyone appreciates that a lot of the original Pro Gloria content has not been used, which is so sad. This seems to be a regular occurrence with Warlord they bought the marvelous Paul Hick's figures of The Knights of Malta at the Great Seige of Malta and managed to completely ruin those now these Landesknechts. If they don't want to do the ranges justice, why buy them, hold them in cold storage for years until all the initial enthusiasm has waned, then produce a mediocre facsimile of the original concept?

And that's the point.
Nothing to do with being fickle, sour, bitter, old goats or anything else.
Something that has long been promised has materialised after a VERY long wait, in half the form that's been expected by those of us who backed the original Pro Gloria kickstarter.

On a general point - as pointed out many times before - LAF is not a criticism-free zone when it comes to companies offering products for sale. Considered criticism is perfectly legitimate. So even if you disagree, please let's not have snarkiness and name-calling when people make polite criticisms supported by reasons why.

I'll be getting a set. Looking forward to what they're actually like in the hand.

[Codsticker]

...sewn on St. George red cross for Imperialists ...

Lol... I didn't even see that bit.

Based on the 3 up, it's not leather. The painter painted the torso down to the codpiece as if it's all one material...

Yes, in 3-up it definitely looks like fabric. On the actual plastic figure it looks like it is supposed to be a padded leather doublet (painting the codpiece the same as the doublet certainly doesn't make it look like that though).

[Kommando_J]

As a guy not normally interest in this period(although the new officer pack looks very nice) I dont have much in he way of feelings but I can get the anger, one thing especially that puzzles me is by waiting they kind of have lost the race as i'm pretty sure Ive heard of other companies now going the plastic landschneckt route.

Overall I find warlords 'adhd' with regards to its lines to be detrimental to an otherwise great company, no sooner was the ECW  supplement out(with little in the way of new minis) when we were getting more antares and then sealion which still hasn't been fully released despite a campaign around the corner...and then we see they are testing another new aerial game despite having pretty much just released doctor who...I wish they'd just concentrate on releasing and supporting the properties they have.

[JamesValentine]

Sod it I'll skip these. This forum has become a great way to never want to wargame

[white knight]

When funds permit, I'll be getting several boxes. While they don't contain as many bits as Pro Gloria imagined, that is hardly the fault of the sculptor or Stephan and what is there offers some great potential for conversions. It'll be interesting to see how these components match up with GW kits like the greatswords.