Recasting of out of production miniatures?

[nic-e]

If you gaze into a pool of slime you should expect to see disgusting little things wiggling in it. Goes with the territory. Whats more astounding is you actually found a topic about the Minis industry there! Has he added a talk about miniatures sub board?
 

Not to make my own thread go off topic,but am i the only one who finds it next to impossible to read the miniatures page? The layout and formatting just go against every fiber of my being.

[von Lucky]

As an aside to the aside - I have found TMP to be useful... but only when I'm googling a certain topic and one of the hits is a TMP topic. That gets me to a range/information I didn't know before.

But as to actually posting and engaging on there? Dear Lord, no.

[pixelgeek]

Homecasting a miniature for your own use is like hometaping a CD to put into your walkman was.
Technically it isn't legal but I wouldn't care really.

I believe that people are legally allowed to duplicate a CD or record for their own performance on a seperate device.

[Vermis]

Whats more astounding is you actually found a topic about the Minis industry there! Has he added a talk about miniatures sub board?

I hear he recently added it after people called for something to read other than posts by and about Tango.

On the original topic: I don't have very strong feelings about recasting OOP minis and less knowledge about the legality of it. Very interested to read about what you get back from Cyanide, though.

[nic-e]

I hear he recently added it after people called for something to read other than posts by and about Tango.

On the original topic: I don't have very strong feelings about recasting OOP minis and less knowledge about the legality of it. Very interested to read about what you get back from Cyanide, though.

I'll be sure to let you know.

Personally i feel that if no one is willing to produce the miniature that is in demand then someone should be free to step up and fill that demand,regardless of who is sitting on the rights.But the law is the law and I thought it'd be good to know what i'm getting into before i start posting pics of my army.

[Ramshackle_Curtis]

It is totally illegal in most of europe, the us , canada and australia.

But I would not worry about it. Just do it. All you have to worry about is having them seized and the moulds destroyed. Im sure no one would be that draconian though.

Home recasting is a well documented hobby endevour, and I have never heard of anything bad happening to any one over it.

Its good practice for your mould making and casting skills, which leads to a higher appreciation of the professionals and so a greater value you will place on further purchases.

[nic-e]

It is totally illegal in most of europe, the us , canada and australia.

But I would not worry about it. Just do it. All you have to worry about is having them seized and the moulds destroyed. Im sure no one would be that draconian though.

Home recasting is a well documented hobby endevour, and I have never heard of anything bad happening to any one over it.

Its good practice for your mould making and casting skills, which leads to a higher appreciation of the professionals and so a greater value you will place on further purchases.

That's a nice way of looking at it, and it's reassuring to hear that from someone in the industry.

I highly doubt i will receive any reply from cyanide but at least on the off chance they do contact me i can say i at least tried.

[dadlamassu]

UK Copyright Service fact sheet (not that it is clear!)

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law

[nic-e]

UK Copyright Service fact sheet (not that it is clear!)

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law

Seems to be that the AT-43 should become public domain in just over a century (depending on how long the creators live).

Scurv,i have no reply to your post for the simple reason that it was so concise and well said that there is little i can add.
I really will have to see what response i get.If they tell me they have plans for the rights then i will simple have to face the prospect of intervention (however slim) but if they tell me they have no plans for them then i will be less inclined to worry as they are no longer filling to demand for the product they have the only rights to produce.

[Momotaro]

I am not a lawyer but...

Any copyright on the Mona Lisa expired a long time before such laws existed.

Copyright does not expire like patents, nor can it be lost by common use like trademarks.  It exists for a specified period after the creator's death.  The problem now is big corporations lobbying to keep extending copyright on their creations (specifically, Disney and Mickey Mouse - it's unlikely, the way things are going, that anything created after Steamboat Willie will EVER see the public domain).

There are explicit exceptions for making a backup to CDs, academic research, parody and suchlike.  Making copies of real, physical stuff is a denial of some future potential sale though.

I'd say that for home use, you're good to go - it's still illegal, but nobody will know.  If you want to publish your work, buy the property.  IIRC, the last word on AT-43 was that the moulds were rusting to uselessness in a shed in China.

I am still not a lawyer

[nic-e]

I am not a lawyer but...

Any copyright on the Mona Lisa expired a long time before such laws existed.

Copyright does not expire like patents, nor can it be lost by common use like trademarks.  It exists for a specified period after the creator's death.  The problem now is big corporations lobbying to keep extending copyright on their creations (specifically, Disney and Mickey Mouse - it's unlikely, the way things are going, that anything created after Steamboat Willie will EVER see the public domain).

There are explicit exceptions for making a backup to CDs, academic research, parody and suchlike.  Making copies of real, physical stuff is a denial of some future potential sale though.

I'd say that for home use, you're good to go - it's still illegal, but nobody will know.  If you want to publish your work, buy the property.  IIRC, the last word on AT-43 was that the moulds were rusting to uselessness in a shed in China.

I am still not a lawyer

I heard they were destroyed.

(to my knowledge the Louvre has some sort of right of distribution for images of the mona lisa,so if you produce an officially licensed image of it some of it goes to them.not that anyone ever bothers licensing famous artwork for distribution in anything except books.)

[Mason]

You lot be careful with all this talk of the Mona Lisa....I have the original in my kitchen and I will sue anyone who tries to copy it!

You have been warned!
 

[nic-e]

You lot be careful with all this talk of the Mona Lisa....I have the original in my kitchen and I will sue anyone who tries to copy it!

You have been warned!
 

I actually found a hand done oil copy of the mona lisa in a local charity shop once.(It was freaking awful!I was half tempted to buy it and hang it in my end of year show to see my painting tutor weep )

[pixelgeek]

Copyright does not expire like patents...

It does. Which is why people like Disney have been working overtime to extend copyright deadlines in the US and EU.

[nic-e]

It does. Which is why people like Disney have been working overtime to extend copyright deadlines in the US and EU.

If you google copyright law this is one of the first things you'll find.