Greece 1821 Regiment Baleste/Tarella Uniform question?

[Shipka]

One of the few foreign units that appeared at the start of the War of Greek Independence. The only two illustrations show the shako either peakless and the other with peak. The  basis of the uniform cut is that of the 1809 pattern Brunswick dress. The question is which shako/hat is correct. My only trouble in putting this unit on the table in 28mm is  that all the manufactures produce figures wearing the latter short jacket , oh well beggers cant be choosers!

[former user]

How certain are You that the two different pictures do not represent rather a stylistic difference of the time they were made in and not a real difference in uniform? e.g. romans in Renaissance Paintings look very different from how romans really looked like.
when were the pictures made?

[Shipka]

From what I can gather both werre done a few years after, there are accounts of the regiment but are sketchy on all aspects of the uniform, the only facts I can conirm is the coat was of Polish cut as per the early Brunswick, deaths head shako plate, white plume and the colour of the uniform was Black

[former user]

from what I can tell is that the tailoring of the uniform is in no way napoleonic or "polish", rather mid 19th C with the narrow waist and the large skirt. Also the style of the painting is not 1921 plus "a few years after", the coats would have had exaggerated puffy arms, thin waists and very pronounced chest.

if I was to attempt any kind of educated guess (of which I would declare myself not very competent in that particular period), I would go that peaks would have been correct so early after the napoleonic wars. But You better rely on someone who is into that period.

What I would definitely claim is that both lithographs were made much later and are no accurate depiction of the period. but see above 

[Shipka]

I am currently reading The Greek Adventure by David Howarth, there are mentions of the unit within Thomas Gordons contemporary account of the war,

[former user]

the hnit

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[argsilverson]

1.- the illustrations given above are meant to represent the "sacred band" (Ieros Lochos), a volunteer unit formed from students at the Wallachia incident. The unit was raised by Alexander Ypsilantis and anhiliated at the battle of Dragatsan (nowdays in Romania). ieros lochos had a also a small contingent of cavalry, dressed as hussars.
The First is a fictitious one and the second is done by P. von Hess some years after the Independence. The artist was based on the the tales of few survivors of the ieros Lochos  and the existing still in our time uniform.
The cap of Ieros Lohos is a peakless fez, similar to a peakless cap with white plume and Silver skull/crossed bones insignia.
The jacket could be russian, prussian or caucasian.

2.- Tarella unit, raised in 1822, the First regular unit of the GWI, dissolved in few months. 1 batallion approx. 400 men

3.- The Greek (revolutionary) Governments decided to raise regular units, mainly due the problem of facing the regular egyptian army. There were lots of efforts but all of them virtually failed due to lack of funds and the emmity of the local warlords. Various units formed:
.- Lord Byron's bodyguard: White shirt and fustanella Red fez. the unit disbanded after the death of lord byron.
.- 1st regular army uniform: traditional dress, the regulars as an insignia had a Cross
.- 2nd regular army uniform: British cut uniform, light blue jacket, grey pants, black leather helmet (similar to the austrian helmet) Brown bess rifles.
cavalry:  Polish lancer green uniform with crimson piping
The regulars assembled by the commander i.e. colonel Fabvier, to reinforce Acropolis guard, they wore the traditional dress.
Regulars fought with distinction in several battles, in one of them tried to withstand cavalry in columm order!!!
.- 3rd regular uniform as above but helmet was replaced by fez.
The last uniform was also the First uniform of the new state's army, under Capodistria. (1828-1831)  and also of the cadet corps with same colour pants and white belts. 
.- there are reports of some small regular units, like the Septinsular batallion. probably their uniform was the remnants of the uniform of the Septinsular Republic (1800-1807) which was of French origin. Another option was that this company carried a septinsular traditional dress. 
.- Another regular unit was formed by Philhellenes but had no Special uniform since evrybody carried his own clothes a MIX of campaign dress and napoleonic items. The latter two anhiliated at the battle of Peta.

In genral the regular units contributed much in the GWI, but their battle records were sporadic. Main problem was the political quarells, lack of funds, lack of men etc.

Cavalry had 3 squadrons, for example, one of lancers, one of carabineers and one horseless, no Money to purchase horses!

[flags_of_war]

there is a New range coming out for this period but not 100% sure when they will be released. I have done a load of flags for the range. 

[argsilverson]

there is a New range coming out for this period but not 100% sure when they will be released. I have done a load of flags for the range. 

Yes!

[Shipka]

I had heard rumours of a forthcoming range, you have now really wetted my appetite with the knowledge of flags done, whoever it is please release them ! Do confirm they will be 28mm?

[flags_of_war]

I had heard rumours of a forthcoming range, you have now really wetted my appetite with the knowledge of flags done, whoever it is please release them ! Do confirm they will be 28mm?

Yes 28mm

[Shipka]

Gimme, gimme as the show  title goes, all I need now is to hear its one of the leadng sculptors  who is bringing the range in metal I trust out!

[Shipka]

I can see the Battle of Peta on the tabletop

[Christopher]

Did anything come of these flags?

[Shipka]

No unfort  whilst the guy had some flags made he did not take the dange forward, the initial dollies I saw were really good