(KICKSTARTER) Rocketgames: Last Saga

[tnjrp]

Long time no write but maybe a brief recap... The project is running about 5-6 months late and Rocketgames is thinking of switching to resin:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/1224278

Not too happy about that tho I'm not going to ask for a refund. Seeing as it's a KS project and all. Might be sorry for that later if they do swap material and so many people get a refund that the project sinks completely.

[Dentatus]

Switching materials doesn't work for me. I'm one who'd want a refund if they go resin. Not shocked a KS campaign would run into problems/delays but this is a huge disappointment.

[tnjrp]

I agree that is a very disappointing turn of events.

However, expecting a refund for a KS is in a very grey area as long as there is a chance of fulfillment, even if it is not in the exact form and by exact date promised. Even more so if handing them out endangers the fulfillment of the project for the rest of the backers.

Section 4 is I think deliberately fuzzy about the priorities but "contents subject to change" is pretty obviously written in there. Furthermore, entitlement to a refund only enters the list of possibilities under the part where the project fails to fulfill more or less completely.
https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use#section4

[Dentatus]

I maintain the switch in materials is a substantive change from the original agreement, but agree Section 4 is 'open to interpretation'. Not like I'm going to hire a team of international lawyers and bounty hunters. (although the notion has a certain vindictive appeal) *sigh*

Between the KS and FB pages, I'm thinking I should kiss my $$ goodbye and be surprised if any figs ever show up on my doorstep in any material.

Damn. It.

[tnjrp]

The problem would be with what does constitute "the original agreement" I think. If KS was a preorder system then it would obvious but it just isn't. And the backers didn't seem to get far or indeed anywhere with the demands for refund and whatnot with Defiance Games KS either even tho AFAIK there were some lawyers involved.

Anyhow. It looks like RG (which is kinda-sorta a British company BTW in case it comes to a lawsuit) is determined to go resin and there aren't going to be any refunds in the foreseeable future since all the funds have been tied in the failed metal production. This obviously being my interpretation of the official communications and not necessarily a description of what is really going on.

[Dentatus]

I get all that. I just don't like paying for a severe lack of business acumen then ending up with a product that not only is extremely late but not what I ordered.

[tnjrp]

Pending an actual update, here's what Rocketgames (Nic Diaz) has to say about the status of the metal production in the project's general comments section:

The exact information that we have received from the caster:

- All resin masters are made.

- Most of the metal molds are made.

- He has already started with the production of metal copies.

- He continues making copies of metal while he finish the last metal molds.

- At the moment he is focused on our project, and is a priority finish the production.

That is, it is assumed that production has already begun. We have requested the evidence for this statement and he should send images of the molds, copies and masters this week.

We will continue reporting each new news that we have and every step taken.

We are prepared to take control of resin production if needed but the intent and the original plan is that the range of Last Saga is made in metal and we are trying to do so. The plan B is ready to ensure that everyone gets their reward

So there appears to be some chance still that these will actually get made in metal. Which also rises the chances of them actually getting made in the first place I think.

[Dentatus]

Thanks for that. I've been staying off the RG KS page but that sounds vaguely positive. Perhaps figs will show up some day.

[dulydude]

Kind of glad I'm not paying so much attention to this one.
Upset that there have been so many set backs but this sounds like something good might start coming through soon.

However I would like them to answer my question on facebook!!! hahaha

[tnjrp]

Reputedly, the metal caster has stated he's now working on LS stuff. We shall see soonish I suppose.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/1244994

[dulydude]

came across this on their facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/RocketGamesSAR/timeline); don't have time to check which sculpts are there though

[tnjrp]

Those would seem to be the resin masters RG said they got back from the caster.

One notable thing missing from that would be the "civilian" that IIRC is supposed to come as an extra with most pledges. For some reason they thought it was good idea to do its master last...

[dulydude]

no the civi is in there, and all council troops including the KS exclusive manticore minus their giant robot (which is all the mini's I backed for)...hope the metal casting is underway currently

[dulydude]

Looks like metal casting is going ahead!

[tnjrp]

Now it's completely officially on:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/1260032

Several close-ups there too. The mold lines don't look as bad as the commenters say but then again, my eyesight is pretty poor these days so I could be wrong. Or else it's just preferential.