Warlord and the opposite of a shill thread

[lou passejaire]

another exemple of the Warlord stuff :
"French" Civilian 1000kg dropside truck :

if someone can identify this truck ...  

1st of all : no "1000kg" trucks in the french army but 1,5 Ton trucks ...

you can always say that it's some s***ty Berliet VSA  

historical accuracy ?

why did you use such rude words ?

[V]

Yep, also disagree with this attitude.  As consumers I think we owe it to companies to respond both positively and negatively toward product releases.  There are heaps of WW2 gamers out there, and I've seen a rather large percentage (my entire gaming group included) who dislike the design direction of Warlord.  So I'm sure they would be interested in seeing this kind of feedback.

In a couple years when BA or Warlord is entering a new "wave" they may look back and see that a decent percentage of WW2 gamers did not invest in their products because of X, Y, Z and they may benefit from it.  Almost every manufacturer has produced some real turds for kits/products.  No harm in pointing it out.

You aint allowed to criticise BA or Warlord.

Learnt that the hard way on a couple of forums. The fanboy abuse was just like the heyday fan boys of GW.

Put me off trying the game completely.

[Kane]

I'll put my dime in the bag as well, but mind you, this is a personal opinion:

I think WG does a decent job. But that's it, really. They could be doing a good job, but they are faltering on several, for me very important, points:

- Miniatures are of moderate quality. In sculpt some are good and some are bad. In casting, the vast majority is bad (lots of flash, bent stuff), at least the ones I received.
- Ruleset is getting (talking BA here) updates which don't add to the gameplay. Though the ruleset is a nice (albeit mainstream) play.
- Poor service. No reply on an issue, on another issue asking the client how to resolve it, ordering 3 mini's and only receiving 2 heads. I have bought from alot of other companies and service was much, much better. One company sent me a miniature which I really wanted (and was willing to pay for) for free. Another company got out of its way to make a special request. A third one has very solid communication with its clients in regards to their orders (and the mini's are fabulous, well-cast, lots of extra's), a fourth takes the time to chat with you at a convention and answers practically immediately in regard to bad mini's and sends replacements without a problem.

All of the above gives me the impression that WG is the historical spin-off of GW (as I say to my friends: WG is GW, only spelled differently). Going large, mainstream and for your wallet. Don't get me wrong, a company must make money. But at what cost in regard to their customers?

[Arrigo]

I think that, as a lot of other big producers, they are a mixed bag. I like the plastic USMC and Japanese quite a lot and also the Chindits. I am quite happy with the teased panzergrenadiers (Well as much I do not really need them and painting camo is a core... well some 28mm German in Zeltbanh and plastic too sounds a nice filler). Some are less than nice. Same for Battlefront, or other manufacturers.

What I dislike is the tendency to "averything WG produces is crap" (it is not) "you are not allowed to criticize WG" (well some thing must be criticized). I have also the suspicion that Cavatore has gone "Orlando Figes" in some forum criticizing under assumed identities competing rule sets (and I also happen to think Cavatore cannot write an historical ruleset or anything at all, one of the reason why I dropped to buy WI was his column... other one was "I do not have any more bloody shelves for it!).

Anyway I am not happy with the guy with STG-44, but the plastic Grenadier looks nice... and some of the SHS stuff is quite nice too. What I can say... people has different appreciations of the same product.

[Too Bo Coo]

Personally I like a lot of the WG armor, I have the IS2, Tiger II as well as a few T34-85's.  All nice models and easy to assemble.  I'm looking forward to buying the new Puma.  I also have a bunch of their FJ's that mix well with the platoon of Artizan that I have.  Their plastics, at least the Soviets that I have a quite nice. 

But to each his own, as everyone's priorities are different.  I dont play in tourney's because from my experience it only encourages 'gameyness', which is why I avoid opponents that ask, "Can my squad leader be the MG loader?  Doesnt say they cant!" But again, to each his own.

The great thing about having a mass of minis all painted up and ready to go, at least in a historical context, if you end up HATING BA, it's not like you need to jettison your collection.  There are tons of different rulesets to try out.  In fact, even if you LOVE BA, it's still fun to try different rules out.  IMHO

[Kane]

The great thing about having a mass of minis all painted up and ready to go, at least in a historical context, if you end up HATING BA, it's not like you need to jettison your collection.  There are tons of different rulesets to try out.  In fact, even if you LOVE BA, it's still fun to try different rules out.  IMHO

Amen to that.

[carlos marighela]

Their plastic tanks are quite nice, at least the T-34s I have are. As others have said a lot of their stuff is very hit and miss. I bought a Stuart that was very nicely done, a Chaffee that was OK and an M-8 Greyhound that's frankly bloody awful. The cartoony heads really don't do it for me so I tend to avoid their figures but overall Warlord  fill a useful purpose and they do provide items otherwise unavailable.

[Kommando_J]

In defense of warlord their plastic stuff is all good (and damn useful for filling out the ranks for CoC)...i'm looking forward to them eventually doing plastic vickers lights tanks (i'll take three!).

And customer service wise they have been very good to me, I asked about them ever releasing their dog extras as one pack and they asked me which ones I was after, my one gripe is the fact they don't seem to bother including bases with a lot of their stuff (especially the bonus minis that come with their books, which I might add the absolutely refuse to sell separately.

[Arrigo]

I think they are not selling the round bases because they are made by renedra and sold by them separately.

Arrigo

[Cubs]

And customer service wise they have been very good to me

It's good to hear this. I think you have a real mix of staff in Warlord, because I have had some seriously blood-boilingly bad service and then some utterly superb service as well. It's good to get a positive spin as well as the negative.

[Too Bo Coo]

I have to say, they've been pretty good to me in the CS department.  My only gripe with their armor kits is that the resin dont come with any instructions for where all the little bits go and how.

[Cubs]

I have to say, they've been pretty good to me in the CS department.  My only gripe with their armor kits is that the resin dont come with any instructions for where all the little bits go and how.

I know they were trying to build up a library on their site with downloadable instructions for all their kits, but I don't know how far they've got with it.

[Kommando_J]

Bow this is more like it on the warlord front and badly needed...and they don't say/seem to be separate heads...warlord don't tease me.

[CLT40K]

I'll stick to my oft used and quoted mantra - Life is too short to paint shit figures.

Best line ever...  I won't buy warlord plastic... putting the weapons into the troopers hands is such a pain the the @ss that I just bought Crusader miniatures from Age of Glory and have avoided Warlord Games plastics all togehter.

[Kommando_J]

Funny i've nothing but admiration for the plastics and coming off 40k i'm used to gluing in the weapons, although i'l  agree that they are a pain in that warlord do very small fiddly (fragile)weapons.

Speaking of does anyone have the old French officer miniature? does the pistol come separate? the description implied that you could arm him with a revolver or automatic but i've only ever seen the revolver...