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Offline Froggy the Great

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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2015, 06:00:49 PM »
I love it when a Plantaganet comes together
You just made my Facebook status with that.
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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2015, 06:59:11 AM »
If they weren't going to bury him in Westminster, which is after all the burial home of the kings and queens of Britain, then surely it had to be York Minster a town on which Richard was very popular, even prior to becoming king?

It beggars belief that we have succumbed to deeply to crass commercialism as to bury the last Plantagenet King of England measured by his viability to profit and tourism!!??

Darrell.

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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2015, 07:41:55 AM »
...and originally burying him,  a king,  in a Multi storey car park..that´s wrong on so many Levels.
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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2015, 07:45:07 AM »
"a hearse, a hearse, my kingdom for a hearse!!"

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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2015, 08:43:05 AM »
Not wanting to sound mean, or nasty or nuthin,  ::), but after all the hard work people have done finding his remains and identifying them..

To be honest. I think the guy would be rather disappointed.

With suggestions/evidence emerging that he might not have been as Bad as history (written mostly by the victors presumably) painted him as well.

Lets face it, killed in battle, mutilated and dumped in Leicester to eventually have a car park stuck on top of him.

Found again, identified, then fought over for whatever reasons, petty politics or personal gain may come from it, and finally dumped back in Leicester somewhere else.

Televised..

And its sited as a reason for tourists a to go there?

If thats the best thing they can come up with I will save my time, watch the documentary and not go there.. ;D

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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2015, 09:37:15 AM »
I've been reading quite a lot on the re burial. The pro-York camp have been very emotional about the whole thing. If you cut out the white noise it seems to come down to that by law the remains must be reinterred in the nearest consecrated ground. In other words Leicester cathedral. I believe this was on the licence granted to let the dig go ahead.
I'm not an expert, and the only knowledge I have is from the interweb.
As a Yorkshire man I was surprised they didn't bury him in York but I don't see it as an issue.
Wouldn't middleham have been more appropriate or Gloucester

Offline Arlequín

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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2015, 09:54:56 AM »
...and originally burying him,  a king,  in a Multi storey car park..that´s wrong on so many Levels.

Factually incorrect, but I laughed out loud anyway.  lol

To be honest. I think the guy would be rather disappointed...

With suggestions/evidence emerging that he might not have been as Bad as history (written mostly by the victors presumably) painted him as well.

You missed out 'unceremoniously stored in a cardboard box in a storeroom for months' but yes it's not really how we would expect things to go.

He probably was as bad as history painted him, yet not so much worse than those around him; the fault is that history has painted a pretty rosy and cuddly image of everyone else at that time, rather than bringing them down to his level. As for the murders... I suspect it wasn't him, but I doubt he would have hesitated too long had there been some tangible advantage to be gained in any case. That being said nobody apparently turns a hair at his brother drowning their other brother in a vat of wine.

For all that though he was certainly progressive and modern in terms of policy and legislation delivered in his short reign, and he doesn't get credited for that. He was of course the last English king too.

;)

It beggars belief that we have succumbed to deeply to crass commercialism as to bury the last Plantagenet King of England measured by his viability to profit and tourism!!??

Agreed... although his viability for profit and tourism has guaranteed he gets some sort of send-off, certainly a better one than what he would get otherwise. I have no strong views on the 'where' - his wife is in Westminster, his parents at Fotheringhay and the original funeral service was held in Leicester, without which he probably would have suffered even more indignity at the time.

The whole thing has the capacity for royal embarrassment, so I doubt he will get any establishment presence on the day either.

Nevertheless the whole affair has proved that we English are still as cut-throat and despicable nowadays as we have painted King Rich to be...  ;)

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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2015, 10:15:51 AM »
Oh come on! One man's crass commercialism is another man's tasteful range of collectible coffee mugs, coasters and tea towels. It's hard to begrudge Leicester its 'win'. Think of the poor sods at the local tourist board or the advertising agency that handles their account. Sans Richard what do you have?

Visit Leicester cos it's er....

Ok, er...  Visit Leicester cos it's not Nottingham!

Visit Leicester it's nowhere near as shit as Brum!


Visit Leicester it's arguably no more dull than, say, Norwich and the incidence of grisly serial killings is significantly lower.

Have a little pity on the poor sod lumbered with that.
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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2015, 10:22:50 AM »
It's a nice reminder of what a comfortable society and lifestyle we have in Britain right now, that people have the time and energy to get all worked up about something like this. If the various societies are able to whip themselves into a frenzy over something so utterly irrelevant as where to stick the bones of a guy killed half a millennium ago, it shows they've got very little else to worry about.
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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2015, 12:09:09 PM »
The whole thing is a fake..the clue is in him being buried under a car park. They didn´t have cars let alone places to park them  back then

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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2015, 04:19:37 PM »
I dunno, I think the Princess was around then.


Offline Arlequín

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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2015, 06:16:54 PM »
The whole thing is a fake..the clue is in him being buried under a car park. They didn´t have cars let alone places to park them  back then

And in the disabled spot... coincidence? I think not.  ::)

It's a nice reminder of what a comfortable society and lifestyle we have in Britain right now, that people have the time and energy to get all worked up about something like this. If the various societies are able to whip themselves into a frenzy over something so utterly irrelevant as where to stick the bones of a guy killed half a millennium ago, it shows they've got very little else to worry about.

Hey! Some of those folk fought and died in numerous re-enactments of Bosworth, just so future generations have the freedom to make such choices. No wait, I'm getting mixed up with WWII...
 ;)

Oh come on! ...

"Leicester! Now with added Richard III!"  For once I'm grateful there's such a thing as Cockney Rhyming Slang.  :D

Offline carlos marighela

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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2015, 06:26:31 PM »
Will Pippa Middleton be twerking at this ceremony?

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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2015, 12:41:41 AM »
I've been reading quite a lot on the re burial. The pro-York camp have been very emotional about the whole thing. If you cut out the white noise it seems to come down to that by law the remains must be reinterred in the nearest consecrated ground. In other words Leicester cathedral. I believe this was on the licence granted to let the dig go ahead.

This ^

They had to agree where to bury him before he was identified, no clauses added if they found someone 'special', they could have not found him remember....

Offline Atheling

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Re: Richard III reburial
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2015, 06:18:45 AM »
This ^

They had to agree where to bury him before he was identified, no clauses added if they found someone 'special', they could have not found him remember....

It may be a bit of a rhetorical question but if you don't mind me asking, who made the statement?

Darrell.

 

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