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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, BLAM 2015. Update 4 April
« Reply #90 on: 04 April 2015, 07:45:00 PM »
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I couldn't be bothered.

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I'm sure you'll do a lovely job on the water  :)

The rest is looking good.

cheers

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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, BLAM 2015. Update 4 April
« Reply #91 on: 04 April 2015, 10:00:58 PM »
Wow, this is awesome. Best cave system I've seen in a long time.


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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, BLAM 2015. Update 4 April
« Reply #92 on: 04 April 2015, 10:11:25 PM »
Looking great!  8)
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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, BLAM 2015. Update 4 April
« Reply #93 on: 04 April 2015, 10:27:23 PM »
I shall have to have a go at making some gloop - both for bases and my upcoming hex-based modular cave build.

Much faster method for bases than first covering them with filler, then glueing sand on, and the cave innards look very good with the stuff Applied.

Now, if I can only find a good source for cork bark...  o_o
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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, BLAM 2015. Update 4 April
« Reply #94 on: 04 April 2015, 11:22:55 PM »
Ooh, your cave entrances look very appealing :-* :-*

bet no one has said that to you before

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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, BLAM 2015. Update 4 April
« Reply #95 on: 05 April 2015, 02:46:10 AM »
Bet you say that to all the Neanderthal girls.  lol

Ooh, your cave entrances look very appealing :-* :-*

bet no one has said that to you before

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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, BLAM 2015. Update 4 April
« Reply #96 on: 05 April 2015, 04:31:07 AM »
I blame you captain blood! You made me go and buy a 2.4 x 1.2m sheet of underfloor insulation to make a modular cave system.  lol won't be anywhere near as good as your work but my son will enjoy playing with it.

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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, BLAM 2015. Update 4 April
« Reply #97 on: 05 April 2015, 09:23:36 AM »
I blame you captain blood! You made me go and buy a 2.4 x 1.2m sheet of underfloor insulation to make a modular cave system. 

I hear that quite a bit  ::)
Enjoy!
Every boy needs a secret base  :)

Ooh, your cave entrances look very appealing :-* :-*

I don't hear that very often  ;)

Thanks lads.

I am rapidly approaching the moment of truth - expanding foam time...
Really I need a dry day to do this outside... Unfortunately, it's been drizzly and cold here for the last few days, and seems set to stay that way...

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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, BLAM 2015. Update 4 April
« Reply #98 on: 05 April 2015, 10:58:19 AM »
Looking good, sir.
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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, BLAM 2015. Update 4 April
« Reply #99 on: 05 April 2015, 11:53:33 AM »
Applause! Wow, this work is magnificent :o

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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, BLAM 2015. Update 4 April
« Reply #100 on: 06 April 2015, 01:44:18 AM »
Excellent and very inspiring!

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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, BLAM 2015. Update 4 April
« Reply #101 on: 07 April 2015, 09:44:00 PM »
Okay, so the expanding foam experiment has not been an unqualified success...

Here are the styrofoam sections snugly clingfilm-wrapped to stop the expanding foam sticking to them - other than where I want it to stick: which is onto the surface of the original terrain boards, to form a bulk quantity of solid foam which I can carve to shape.
The 'lid' of the cave system will be applied to a film-wrapped section of board so that the underside is nice and flat...



Here's the can of expanding foam, nestling in a bucket of warm water...
If it's too cold when you apply it, it won't expand properly, so you need to make sure it's at a reasonable room temperature...



And here's the foam immediately after it has been used to 'ice' the board capping the cave system and to infill the gap between the end of the donga boards, and the front elevation of the new escarpment...
As you can see - first problem - one (very large can) does not actually hold that much foam. I've only managed to cover half the lid before the can ran dry :(



One hour later, and the foam has expanded to this...



That's a fair sized sausage of foam to carve into a slope... This part of the plan is looking good...



Another hour's curing time, and the foam hasn't actually expanded very much more. But I can now separate the sections of terrain...



Here you can see the insufficiency of the expanding foam lid. Looks like another can is called for... Bugger.



Here's the underside of the lid... Nice and flat, so that worked... Shame I didn't have enough foam :(



Six hours later... I decide to bisect the sausage, so I can work separately on the two halves of the donga terrain boards...
Second surprise: As you can see, after almost an entire day curing, the foam has still not gone off / fully expanded inside the centre of that sausage.
Less a satisfyingly solid expanded foam sausage - more of a Swiss roll with a gooey centre...



Another couple of hours and I set about cutting off the surplus expanded foam in order to start to shape the slope...
Although the central core of foam has still not expanded and looks a bit sick, it appears now to have dried in its unexpanded state... Hmmm...
Not that it really matters, because its role here is only to provide a lightweight bulk to build on with wall filler and surface texture...



Now however comes the big surprise...
As soon as I start handling the foam, it just falls off the board it is supposed to be stuck to!

Yes, that's right - all those dire warnings about 'this stuff will stick to anything and cannot be shifted' are utterly wrong.
Once cured, that nice shiny, rigid, plastic-like out skin it forms provides absolutely no adhesion at all, not even to a coarsely textured terrain surface which ought to have plenty of grip for the material to key into. But no.



All is not lost, because of course the material fits exactly back on to contours of the board beneath. So I can easily skewer and glue the expanded foam lumps back into position, and then carry on carving to shape...

But...
I am now wondering of it wouldn't have been just as quick to use another slab of pink foam for the lid, carved down to shape.
And to have built up the slope using offcuts of pink foam as the underlying bulk material...

Ah well, you have to try these things, and only fair to showcase the, um.. learnings along the way  :)

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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, fun with expanding foam...
« Reply #102 on: 07 April 2015, 10:03:47 PM »
I feel as if a 'learning through failure' post is in order- maybe something about Thomas Edison and his search for light bulb filaments?

Still looking like a a great project, and weirdly organic rock formations aren't unheard of :)
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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, fun with expanding foam...
« Reply #103 on: 07 April 2015, 10:18:10 PM »
Looks like you have it all in hand despite the setbacks. :)

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Re: Beyond the donga - Cave Wars terrain table, fun with expanding foam...
« Reply #104 on: 07 April 2015, 10:37:47 PM »
HAHAHA! Never in my life have I seen this NOT stick! That is totally unheard of!  lol lol

...or - I have always faced the opposite problem.  o_o o_o o_o


I mean. I made some 'jungle rock formations' on CD's with it... and it bound the CD's so hard that they warped!


Good luck with your endeavours all the same.

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