French forces in French Somaliland c.1935-36?

[Arlequín]

I imagine that if he wore socks with those sandals he would be in breach of the Geneva Convention regarding the wearing of enemy uniform. 

 

[Happy Wanderer]

...the search continues!

How about these Artizan French? They have puttees, scarf, short Kepi and non descriptor 'kit'.

...would these do for 1935 French?



http://www.artizandesigns.com/list.php?man=21&cat=148&page=1


...these chaps?

[Arlequín]

The top ones definitely for the FFL. The others I do not know.

[Happy Wanderer]

"The top ones definitely for the FFL. The others I do not know."

Well that's a good start.

The Artizan range could thus provide c.1935

FFL


Senegalese Tirailleurs would be usable from Empress (Italian Askaris)



Now what would Moroccan troops in North Africa look like in 1935?...similar to these Tirraileur Algerien's or the WW2 Goumier?  The Rif War Moroccans don't seem to have changed much so perhaps they look more like those of days gone by instead of WW2 types.




Goumiers...though that helmet doesn't look right....not seemingly an Adrian type which is surprising

[Anna Elizabeth]

...the search continues!

How about these Artizan French? They have puttees, scarf, short Kepi and non descriptor 'kit'.

...would these do for 1935 French?



http://www.artizandesigns.com/list.php?man=21&cat=148&page=1


...these chaps?

Wanderer, that 2nd photo - Osprey's "A World Aflame" has a plate of FFL that look like that, not sure which book it's sourced from. OK - sourced as "French Foreign Legion from MMA 325 - "French Foreign Legion 1914-45". Might be worth picking up?

[lou passejaire]

moroccan tirailleurs 1935  :

algerian tirailleurs :

legion :

[Happy Wanderer]

...I was hoping you'd pop up Lou 

So those Artisan Goumier types are out...the FFL seem likely candidates though.

Those moroccan tirailleurs and Algerian tirailleurs are looking a bit 'specific'. It would seem that with a head swap for the small tarbouche and the 'wrap around' headwear that the same figures would work....though their own figures would be best.

...so do you have any idea who makes the heads or specific moroccan or Algerian tirailleurs by any chance do you for these troops c. 1935?

Cheers

Happy

PS this is turning in to a good 'resource' thread so thanks to all who have contributed.

[lou passejaire]

you can use artizan goumiers, but you have to use moroccan heads or adrian helmet heads .
for the moroccan tirailleurs, H10 moroccans heads from empress miniatures SCW range are the one you need 

for the algerian ones, may be trying H9 moroccans heads from empress miniatures SCW range


for the foreign legion, you can use the artizan FFL if the WW2 Range .
And if you want them in sun helmet ( wich was regulation for Somaliland ) DAK sun helmet will work ...

[lou passejaire]

just give a look here : http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=79542.0

[Arlequín]

Excellent... I was really surprised they had not mentioned anything to do with the 'other French' and seemed to be moving towards Tunisia and Sicily.

 

Comments regarding the figures themselves should go on the thread Lou has kindly provided, so as to conform to LAF's cross-posting rules. What you intend to do with them in an Interwar sense is fine here however.

 

[Happy Wanderer]

Well,

That is exactly what we are looking for it would appear....lovely timing.

"These will be 28mm metal figures that could be used in Syria and Madagascar."

So to the specifics.

For the Interwar we have the Perry Foreign legion types (excepting the gaiters)...or Artizan which are fine.




Vichy French and Senegalese tirialleurs - new Figures.
Are these dollies able to be used for both Interwar French and Senegalese tirialleurs i.e. are they the same figures or are we looking at two types of figures being released and the photo only shows some of them?



Lou, with your knowledge on the French, would be able to tell us what we can get out of these minis to create French infantry types of the interwar period ala French Somalialand, North African and Mid East command types around 1935 please ...assuming we can get separate heads (e.g. Empress or maybe Perrys) and replace them on these dollies?

There still seems to be a lot of Frenchmen in long pants and leggings in the pictures you put up before



....are you saying those troops would likely switch over to shorts in the desert theatre and thus these new Perry minis cover moroccan tirailleurs and Algerian tirailleurs as well?

...this wraps this thread up nicely! 

[carlos marighela]

I may be wrong about this but I get the distinct impression that shorts as a regular issue item really only took off with the French Army from the 1940s onwards, probably the influence of perfidious Albion.  If you look closely at the Perry minis those FFL are wearing British shorts and gaiters and in a few cases they are wearing 'Bombay bloomers' the shorts that could be buttoned down as long trousers ( essentially a gas precaution).

The French Army was going through a uniform transition at the outbreak of the war. A new uniform had been designed with a more contemporary look, gaiters, plus four styled trousers and  a new open collar tunic. A new pattern sports style shirt was also introduced, it was a pullover design, short sleeved, a bit like a modern polo shirt.

Because of the massive stockpile of existing uniforms, very little of this was issued prior to the fall of France. The Vichy regime did use the new gear though and there's plenty of photographic evidence of its use both in France and overseas. Oddly enough Italeri produced some French WW2 figures back in the 1980s that were wearing this kit. Accurate for 1941 onwards.

The new Perry dollies with the long pants and Adrian helmets are clearly wearing the uniform. They won't be much use to you if you want to do inter war French. Hopefully they will do some in shorts and short sleeved shirt for Madagascar and/or a semi-fictional Ritchy-Hook raid on Dakar. My own wish is for Free French in shorts and shirts, rather than jackets. Swap in the Red Star bush hats and they would be perfect for the French in Indochina.

[lou passejaire]

shorts became a regulation item in hot climates ( Sub saharian africa, syria-lebanon, french somaliland, madagascar, Indochina , etc and not in north africa . the north african troops were under the rules of the War departement, the other overseas troops under the rules of Colony département ) after 1931 . the main difference between european and native troops was in the lack of collar for the "senegalese" ...



and the dollies in long pants are afrikakorps plastic ones to support the adrian helmets 

[Happy Wanderer]

Ok.

Thanks Lou.

So these boys could be French troops from Madagascar or maybe North African troops 'reissued' on arrival in French Somaliland

Cheers

R

[lou passejaire]

there were no north african troops in somaliland ...
but you can use turban heads for "militia" IMO ...
i never found pictures of somaliland militia .