*

Recent Topics

Author Topic: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review  (Read 41783 times)

Offline Paul

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1442
    • Paul´s Bods
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #75 on: 23 October 2015, 07:41:30 PM »
At least no-one carries a  sword strapped across thier....Oh....

I knew the truck didn´t want to hit me...it had dodge written on the front

Paul´s Bods Blog
Federation of Bodstonia

Offline Captain Blood

  • Global Moderator
  • Elder God
  • Posts: 19741
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #76 on: 23 October 2015, 10:27:02 PM »
Just watched episode 1 on iPlayer...

SPOILER ALERT!

Things I liked...

- The kid playing young Uthred. Most child actors are shit (cf. Harry Potter movies). I thought this lad was spot on. Really quite believable (despite the hokey storyline).
- The muddy, washed-out, slightly gritty, grotty look to the whole thing. It looked like, well.. the North of England.
- The after-battle party. Rape, murder and pillage at its finest. No-holds barred. Slightly gratuitous but all good fun.
- That the girls were ordinary-looking - not super glamorous and slathered with make-up. Felt right.
- There were a few nice lines, where I thought 'ooh, that's neat'. But I can't remember what they were... So maybe not that good after all.

Things I didn't like...

- The Red Indian wailing on the theme tune. There seems to be quite a habit of conflating primitive north European cultures with aboriginal native American cultures (cf. 'The Eagle' with picts as Mohawks). It's nonsense and needs to be stopped.
- The silly-sing song accents affected by some of the Vikings. Clearly a shtick they have copied from, well.. 'Vikings'. (Interestingly though, two of the other leading Vikings seemed to be American. All a bit peculiar).
- Matthew MacFadyen, who played... Matthew MacFadyen. He plays exactly the same character in exactly the same way, with exactly the same voice and mannerisms, in every single thing I see him in. Thankfully, he was killed off halfway through.
- There were a few shit lines (Vikings greeting each other after a long voyage... 'How are you?', 'Good to see you', 'How have you been?' It sounded like Sunday morning at the golf club... Ludicrous... )

The shonky historical stuff pretty much passed me by, square shields and all.
Some of the helmets were a bit silly (but not as silly as the Anglo-Saxons in 'Vikings' wearing late C16th Elizabethan era burgonets.
Actually, the one thing that really jarred with me was the Saxon fort, which looked like a cross between a French & Indian Wars stronghold, and something vaguely 'Rus', that you might find halfway down the River Dnieper... And a bit obviously CGI'd in the long shots.

I'll certainly keep watching. Not unenjoyable - in a largely predictable, formulaic kind of way.
:)

Offline Nord

  • Mad Scientist
  • Posts: 970
    • Nord's Painting Saga
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #77 on: 23 October 2015, 11:28:45 PM »
Oh dear, I can't decide which is worse, the wooden shields or the wooden acting.

Offline Atheling

  • Elder God
  • Posts: 12414
    • Just Add Water Wargaming Blog
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #78 on: 24 October 2015, 08:49:31 AM »
Oh dear, I can't decide which is worse, the wooden shields or the wooden acting.

Both as bad as one another  lol lol lol

Funny though, I'll still watch it, for now anyway  lol

Darrell.

Offline Atheling

  • Elder God
  • Posts: 12414
    • Just Add Water Wargaming Blog
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #79 on: 24 October 2015, 08:57:07 AM »

- The Red Indian wailing on the theme tune. There seems to be quite a habit of conflating primitive north European cultures with aboriginal native American cultures

There are quite a few Scandinavian artists who play traditional music that sound quite a lot like what you have described. I'm not at all sure how actually traditional the music is but there's quite a bit out there. My ex used to love it so I'm quite familiar with it :)

 (cf. 'The Eagle' with picts as Mohawks). It's nonsense and needs to be stopped.

- Matthew MacFadyen, who played... Matthew MacFadyen. [/quote]

Funnily enough he was cast brilliantly in Ripper Street bu one of my old school friends who directed the series and really gets into character in said series. He probably didn't get too much of an opportunity to get into character(?). Benefit of the doubt and all that  lol
[/quote]

Darrell.

Offline Silent Invader

  • Galactic Brain
  • Posts: 9974
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #80 on: 24 October 2015, 09:08:44 AM »
......the wooden acting.

Must admit I gave it less than 10 minutes. The acting didn't engage me.

Edit: btw, no probs with historical inaccuracies in programming that is intended to entertain rather than inform
« Last Edit: 24 October 2015, 09:10:39 AM by Silent Invader »
My LAF Gallery is HERE
Minis (foot & mounted) finished in 2025 = 74
(2024 = 38; 2023 = 151; 2022 = 204; 2021 = 123; 2020 = ???)

Offline gamer Mac

  • Galactic Brain
  • Posts: 8285
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #81 on: 24 October 2015, 09:16:22 AM »
It wasn't X Factor or big brother so count me as impressed. I liked it and I also liked the books.
Unusual to get something watchable on normal primetime TV and not having to pay for it through Sky or Amazon ETC

Offline Littlearmies

  • Scientist
  • Posts: 211
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #82 on: 24 October 2015, 10:15:18 AM »

- There were a few shit lines (Vikings greeting each other after a long voyage... 'How are you?', 'Good to see you', 'How have you been?' It sounded like Sunday morning at the golf club... Ludicrous... )

I'll certainly keep watching. Not unenjoyable - in a largely predictable, formulaic kind of way.
:)


In my mind's eye I now see a bunch of blokes called Ragnar and Harald Bluetooth discussing the merits of a nine iron or pitching wedge when playing the 14th hole....very Monty Pythonesque. But what do you actually imagine them talking about? It can't be all "been to any good gang rapes lately?" or "You missed a good massacre last week, claret everywhere"

I thought it was fine overall - Bebanburgh didn't fit in with what I'd created in my mind's eye, and the guy who is playing Uhtred is much too pretty - I see him him as a barely tolerated thug to be taken out of the cupboard in case of emergency not what we saw in the first episode. But then I had the same issue with Orlando Bloom in Kingdom of Heaven...

Offline Emir of Askaristan

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1790
    • My Blog
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #83 on: 24 October 2015, 10:41:07 AM »
I quite enjoyed it.

The accents weren't that bad, the sing song element didn't bother me one bit, I'm just back from a week in Norway with work and am currently on Skye at the moment - both full of accents like that.

Helmets, costumes and armour and weapons - far better than The Vikings. Perhaps the look of the men from beddamburg looked more early medieval at times, but not too bad. Square shields, pah, minor point and means of easily recognising the two sides if you don't know your history I spose.

Overall I thought it was good, far better than a lot other of pseudo historical drama. I can see why it's on after 9 tho....

Good work...carry on!

Offline charla51

  • Librarian
  • Posts: 154
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #84 on: 24 October 2015, 10:43:46 AM »
In the case of Bebbenburg, do we really KNOW what palisaded Saxon forts looked like above archeological level?

Offline Captain Blood

  • Global Moderator
  • Elder God
  • Posts: 19741
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #85 on: 24 October 2015, 10:48:02 AM »
Matthew MacFadyen, who played... Matthew MacFadyen.

Funnily enough he was cast brilliantly in Ripper Street bu one of my old school friends who directed the series and really gets into character in said series. He probably didn't get too much of an opportunity to get into character(?). Benefit of the doubt and all that  lol


Hmm. 'Fraid not Darrell. My point was precisely that he was exactly the same character with exactly the same deadpan delivery as Inspector Reid i9n Ripper Street. His Northumbrian kinglet was identical to Edmund Reid except for the skirt and absence of a bowler hat.
All actors play to type to some extent, but this guy is so absolutely the same in every role he plays (or at least the half dozen that I've seen him in) that it's almost comical.

In my mind's eye I now see a bunch of blokes called Ragnar and Harald Bluetooth discussing the merits of a nine iron or pitching wedge when playing the 14th hole....very Monty Pythonesque. But what do you actually imagine them talking about? It can't be all "been to any good gang rapes lately?" or "You missed a good massacre last week, claret everywhere"


It was more the ever-so-modern casual turns of phrase, rather than the subject matter :)
It's a fine line for a scriptwriter to tread between irritatingly cod 'period-speak' dialogue and jarring modernisms. That little exchange just felt wrong to my ear. I was waiting for one of them to cry 'Wassup?!'  ;)


Offline Paul

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1442
    • Paul´s Bods
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #86 on: 24 October 2015, 10:50:24 AM »
Quote
Matthew MacFadyen, who played... Matthew MacFadyen. He plays exactly the same character in exactly the same way, with exactly the same voice and mannerisms, in every single thing I see him in. Thankfully, he was killed off halfway through.
As Prior Philip would have said, "there´s a Blessing"

Offline Captain Blood

  • Global Moderator
  • Elder God
  • Posts: 19741
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #87 on: 24 October 2015, 10:53:00 AM »
As Prior Philip would have said, "there´s a Blessing"

lol

Yep. Exactly the same in that one too - swap the bowler for a tonsure... carry on.

;)

Offline tyrionhalfman

  • Mad Scientist
  • Posts: 985
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #88 on: 24 October 2015, 10:55:20 AM »
Could have been worse. "Mate, traffic was a nightmare, stuck behind some old fella rowing so bloody slow" or "my wife's gonna kill me, I'm not supposed to be out out, I was only supposed to go down the fjord for a couple with the lads but you know how it goes".  

Offline Silent Invader

  • Galactic Brain
  • Posts: 9974
Re: Bernard Cornwell's 'The Last Kingdom' episode 1 review
« Reply #89 on: 24 October 2015, 11:06:47 AM »
Could have been worse. "Mate, traffic was a nightmare, stuck behind some old fella rowing so bloody slow" or "my wife's gonna kill me, I'm not supposed to be out out, I was only supposed to go down the fjord for a couple with the lads but you know how it goes".  

Sounds like some reenactment events I've been to  lol

 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
5 Replies
2189 Views
Last post 18 November 2011, 11:13:14 PM
by marianas_gamer
28 Replies
7297 Views
Last post 20 August 2012, 10:23:05 AM
by max
3 Replies
2720 Views
Last post 12 September 2012, 05:42:28 PM
by Anatoli
1 Replies
1152 Views
Last post 27 July 2016, 08:24:49 AM
by smirnoff
61 Replies
12241 Views
Last post 26 November 2021, 11:32:00 AM
by Bloggard