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Offline JohnFoA

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Russian Jagers 1800-1813
« on: October 07, 2015, 09:59:24 AM »
Morning from a Napoleonic newbie

My question is did these guys ever has flags, standards, banners, markers, golden trumpet on sticks issued and if so did they take them to war?

Seriously do Russian Jagers have any field identification symbol?

Thanks

John
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Offline Stavka

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Re: Russian Jagers 1800-1813
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2015, 01:21:02 AM »
There were some major changes in uniforms during the 1800- 1813 period.  For the 1812-14 campaigns- the period I know the most about- Jager regiments, like the rest of the infantry, were pretty much standardized.  For the Jagers it was black cuffs and collars piped red. 

The devil is in the details. Shoulder straps would be red, green piped red. white, yellow or blue depending on the regiment's place in its division.  I'm going from memory here, but I believe the number of the division would be embroidered on the shoulder strap. This may or may not be an issue depending on what scale figures you are painting.

There are contemporary prints showing Jagers with brass regimental numbers on the cartridge boxes.

No flags, though, as they are light infantry.  They would have had hornists; basically the same uniform but with white lace down the sleeves.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2015, 01:27:05 AM by Stavka »

Offline JohnFoA

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Re: Russian Jagers 1800-1813
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2015, 09:33:43 AM »
Thanks

This confirms what I'd thought.  Do you know if there was a standard kept in depot?


Offline the commissar

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Re: Russian Jagers 1800-1813
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2015, 06:26:19 PM »
I thought that the Russian Jaeger facings in 1812 were green piped red did they change later?

Offline Arthur

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Re: Russian Jagers 1800-1813
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2015, 08:12:03 PM »
There were some major changes in uniforms during the 1800- 1813 period.  For the 1812-14 campaigns- the period I know the most about- Jager regiments, like the rest of the infantry, were pretty much standardized.  For the Jagers it was black cuffs and collars piped red.  

The devil is in the details. Shoulder straps would be red, green piped red. white, yellow or blue depending on the regiment's place in its division.  I'm going from memory here, but I believe the number of the division would be embroidered on the shoulder strap. This may or may not be an issue depending on what scale figures you are painting.

The Commissar is right : black piped red was reserved for artillery uniforms. The new 1807 dark green uniform had given the Jäger red cuffs and white collars piped red. Shoulder straps were red for the senior Jager regiment in each division and light blue for the junior one.

All this changed in 1809 when both the cuffs and the collar became dark green piped red. The red shoulder straps became yellow though the light blue ones remained unchanged.

 

For a very comprehensive coverage of Russian uniform facings, I suggest having a look at the page linked below, which Bryce Allen/Greystreak pointed to in previous posts on this forum and others :

http://zaotlichiye.net63.net/allfacings.html  

To the best of my knowledge, Jäger regiments were not issued with colours of any kind, the Guard Jäger being the only exception to this rule because of their Guard status.    
« Last Edit: October 09, 2015, 08:14:01 PM by Arthur »

Offline Stavka

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Re: Russian Jagers 1800-1813
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2015, 12:02:28 AM »
Sorry, had a brain fart and was away from my references to check.  Green piped red is of course right, black was the facing colour for artillery crew- which I had been working on recently. ::)


Offline JohnFoA

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Re: Russian Jagers 1800-1813
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2015, 06:59:35 PM »
Again thanks for info and useful picc and link

Cheers all

John

Offline JohnFoA

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Re: Russian Jagers 1800-1813
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2015, 07:10:08 PM »
Auther

Question where's the lovely artwork from please?

John

Offline Arthur

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Re: Russian Jagers 1800-1813
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2015, 09:33:58 AM »
John, the plates are from one of the many Pinterest pages on the Russian army of the Napoleonic Wars. Can't quite remember where I found the Jäger carabiniers in scruffy campaign dress but the links below will point you in the right direction :

http://www.pinterest.com/samscott876/russian-army-in-the-age-of-napoleon/
http://www.pinterest.com/pgantzer/révolution-1er-empire-russie/
http://www.pinterest.com/jeanmoes/1er-empire-russie/
http://www.pinterest.com/emeraldelaine/russian-army-of-napoleonic-wars/
http://www.pinterest.com/sal_adin/naps-russia/
« Last Edit: October 13, 2015, 09:37:03 AM by Arthur »

 

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