The end and new beginnings of Dredd

[Ulfhednar]

The jetbikes are very cool though, and as more 'all-terrain' vehicles, to me they make more sense for a Cursed Earth or Badlands community than conventional bikes do. I guess ok in resin too as clean solid design & nothing to really break off, I'd worry about resin riders though with stuck out arms and stuff. But whatever, they're so similar (as you say maybe due to same sculptor) they should scale great.

On my lateral trawling through google I turned up this, good value at £40 for 20 figures (assuming you didn't get screwed by customs for vat etc) I think most of the figures look perfect for Dredd (in various theatres, some for badlands others for Meg1), particularly the heavy citi-def type unit in red (go to link to see big picture, they have very 2000AD styling, in fact they look very similar to the metal hvy Citi-Def Mongoose did for GOMC1). The ones that wouldn't fit with Dredd (like the rocket girl bottom far left) look like very attractive quality figures and would be very saleable at a decent price to people playing those other genres, so you could off-load what didn't work to keep within a good price. And from other photo's they look like they may scale well with Warlord Dredd (although I'm beginning to realise that's a bit of an abstract concept as lots of Warlord Dredd stuff itself struggles to scale with other Warlord Dredd. There is a range of a few at true 28mm, most at tall but slim / vampy 28mm, then there's a few at definitely chunky and very big super heroic 28mm (like the Judge with baton from Judge Cal retinue and the Cursed Earth Desperado top dog who are huge). It's ok with proxies if you stay around the middle of those extremes, but get anywhere near the scale extremes with proxies (height and / or particularly chunkiness), the slightly different styling / uniforms make them scream as being spurious & wrong. It's definitely a matter of suck it and see with these proxies.



http://johnnyborgcastings.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06

(again depends on scale, but if normal heroic 28mm that guy in the bronze coloured space suit would make a great East Meg Jaeger sniper (equivalent to ones in citi-def) or an East Meg Space Judge, if true 28mm and so a bit small, would make a great Rogue Trooper Nort (mask pipes don't go to filter but to an air box so self contained, not necessary but to be perfect I think could easily be modded to Nort tanks).





I've emailed the guy for his opinion on scale, if he thinks they'd work ok will get them (the Citi-Def look too right not to & I think a small hvy unit added to the Warlord Citi-Def, maybe with a couple of quirky combat droids would make them a full on balanced skirmish army) and then post comparisons.

[Ulfhednar]

I found some Space Isis too! (maybe for that Saudi Judge) at Sgt Major Miniatures, they could ally with the Apes and make the taliban-ana gang.



And Warlord have now disconnected the link from the Dredd icon on their homepage to the product range listings (almost in line with it ending end of November), suggesting it is now all discontinued.

[manic _miner]

 Just found a box with some Dredd miniatures in.I am sure i have others scattered around the house too.

[Ulfhednar]

Citadel or Warlord? There's one Foundry Judge no longer available that looks worth getting (the female Judge holding helmet). I have a box of original Citadel Dredd stuff somewhere else I need to get and go through, see what I have and what scales. It looks from photo's like the main stuff will scale perfectly well and a couple of Citadel Judges were real quality.

From buying bags of Judges in Mongooses fire-sale for the odd figure I needed, I have 1 or 2 spares of most of the Warlord Judges, and a few more of some (the hvy weapons Judge's with lazooka & stub gun, the pursuit car Judge, the female SCS Judge, the Judge with 2 lawgivers, the Judge with interchangeable rifle arm (who has excellent zombie potential), some box sets of Citi-Def and a few other things). I will stick them on Bazaar in next week or so at fair prices. From chasing all this and seeing what was missing from their fire-sales, the rare stuff seems to be all female Judges, the hvy weapons Judge with the rotary cannon (never appeared once outside of the Specialist box set and that was out of stock almost everywhere from start, I had to get mine from Germany, in fact all those Specialist Judges seem rare), all the Judges from the Cal box set, various other things like Oz Judge on Trike, most of all Fatties, East Meg & Citi-Def reinforcements, Meg Citizens, and ABC Warriors (especially Mongrel). But then step back from what Mongoose sold off and there's virtually nothing out there so outside of this fire-sale stuff cycling through, if it doesn't come back into production, outside of enthusiast circles like maybe the Bazaar here it's going to be very hard to get, old Citadel (and obviously Foundry) will be the most available stuff for newbies.

edit - and of course uber rare stuff is things like the Brit-Cit or Cal-Hab Judge on Iron Lion thing lawmaster and the new biker gang that were too late for retail and that only kickstarters will have had. Mongoose only sold one biker gang off in the firesale which I got, the only other I've seen is on White Knights bazaar listing here, for what is (judging by the Ape biker gang that was £40 for 4) less than retail would have been. It's sat there & people have passed it by, if that was on ebay it would fly for more. I wonder if somewhere there's an obscure forum with a Crooked Dice Sarah Jane sitting for sale for peanuts while many like me watch ebay waiting to throw money at one.

[manic _miner]

 I am sure i have a couple of Fatties some place too.Miniatures hidden all over.My one's are the Mongoose one's.

 Did the Dice Bag Lady not have some of the Crooked Dice Dr.Who figures to clear out?

[Ulfhednar]

The only Fatties that have been available during all this were hugely expensive Citadel ones on ebay, and a Spanish guy selling one type of Warlord / Mongoose on ebay, with exchange rate & shipping were expensive. I got one as I had no fatties at all, thinking he was the one with the gun but instead turns out it's the one with the hamburger. He'll do as a civilian (rather than Oola Blint's troubled son and mafioso side kick, with a gun) but it troubles me his arms are too short for him to feed himself the hamburger and so I wonder why he has it. I can't imagine it's to throw. Fatties need helper bots with the food.

Unfortunately everywhere is out of Crooked Dice Sarah Jane's. I have found one apparently really obscure site that still has stock of Crooked Dice Ms Temple, Group Captain Barrowight(man), WPC May / Amy Pond in her police kissogram outfit (!!!), and Marwood. I want Marwood for future pulp fiction gaming and maybe as a Dredd Badlands guy, I can't think how to fit WPC May in but the figure is insanely collectible / saleable, I'm tempted to buy their stock, sell it on ebay and retire. It all went wrong a few weeks back when someone sold a lot of Crooked Dice Dr. Who on ebay that included Sarah Jane (and Marwood), but about 5 others I didn't want, sold for approx £35. I thought too much for just what I wanted but it's how it is (checked and only one ever listed on ebay), you have to buy lots and sell the rest on. I bet if Sarah Jane went on it's own would go for £20. There was a Knight Models 30mm Han Solo few days back went for around £30.

[bong-67]

The female Wargames Foundry judge holding helmet is Judge Hershey.  You can find her on this sort of secret page  (it doesn't link from the other 2000AD pages) here along with two other sculpts of Dredd: 

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/2000ad/more-2000ad-models-bc2000ad010

She's a very nice figure but like all of the Foundry 2000AD stuff  big compared to the Warlord/Mongoose judges.

[Ulfhednar]

Excellent thank you, that's brilliant, that's saved me from having to search ebay for them, from the stress and probably from over paying :-)

I've seen the Foundry Judges are big from photo's, they look like a few would just about squeeze into the Warlord scale, but too many would be too much. Though it's same within the Warlord range too, some of the Judges (like the one holding the baton in the Judge Cal box set) are definitely big / chunky and dwarf other figures like the female SCS Judge and male SCS Judge with beard (that are very slim / delicate). Or like the Cursed Earth Desperadoes Top Dog is massive.

But it's odd with the Warlord stuff, especially as I believe they used different sculptors you wouldn't think there was a consistent style that tied it all together but there is, the big and small stuff within the range looks ok together, just like some people are naturally big and others small. Then you put a different manufacturer next to them, if they land around the middle (maybe toward the larger end) of the scale they fit in fine, but get toward either extreme of the scale, too small or thin or too tall & chunky they look really wrong, whereas big or small Warlord stuff gets away with it.

But hopefully with the Judges in uniform that will help the bigger Foundry Judges work (well enough) with the smaller Warlord ones. I have a load of stuff to order from Foundry when my finances have recovered they have some excellent stuff. I wish they did lawmasters and bikes though, can't have too many. I'm hoping old Citadel will work too, so far I've compared a mutie skink whose perfect scale, and Citadel lawmasters. The Citadel lawmasters look ridiculously small next to the Warlord ones, may only be good for converting to non Judge street bikes (though I'll save one for the Juve Jimp, would suit him perfectly as a bike he's copied), but the riders seem to scale perfectly well with Warlord Dredd (and those riders upper bodies, cartoony like Citadel was and waving their arms about trying to reach the bike handle bars offer great zombie Judge potential). I got one yesterday for £2.20 whose going to be zombiefied.



(how frustrating Citadel were, such good sculpting, detail so deep and defined, but chaos in terms of making a range that added up to anything, just random Judges and Perps like they were only indulging themselves for cool figures. It's similar with Foundry now, it's just a character parade rather than a range you can do much with (though obviously an extremely high quality one). At least Mongoose / Warlord had a structured approach and covered all the bases properly so we can do something proper with the genre).

[twrchtrwyth]

These are apparently the Judge Dredd citi-def figures: http://www.whona.com/FASA-9508-Temporal-Marauders_p_3074.html

http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Doctor_Who_(RAFM)#9508_The_Temporal_Marauders

Third row here:
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Judge_Dredd#JD3_-_Perps

[bong-67]

I've got some of the old Citadel judges and they'e a lot smaller than any of the Warlord/Mongoose ones.  I've two Citadel Lawmasters and while they are a good match for the version of the Lawmaster being drawn in Dredd at the time (about 1985 or so) they are only about 75% the size of the Warlord/Mongoose one.
I really hope the licence is being picked up by another minis manufacturer and they produce figures which are compatable with the Mongoose/Warlord figs.  While Mongoose couldn't make money from Dredd as a game I still think a collectable range of 2000AD figs would work.  Foundry's figures are good but there are too many gaps.  
A nice new modern range of 2000AD /Dredd figs would also be great promotion for the comic.  All the frenzy around the end of the Warlord/Mongoose Dredd has made me want to buy more of the stories as I've never read Necropolis, Judgement Day, or Day of Chaos and all sound very interesting.  I've also a notion to read Cursed Earth Koburn, a character I didn't know existed until this thread.  I fondly remember his ancestor from the old Battle comic, Major Eazy.

[n815e]

I don't believe that Dredd wasn't making money.  That is the stock Mongoose answer for killing a product line.  Nobody keeps a license that loses money for thirteen years.  Mongoose doesn't have money to burn.

[Sir_Theo]

The jetbikes are very cool though, and as more 'all-terrain' vehicles, to me they make more sense for a Cursed Earth or Badlands community than conventional bikes do. I guess ok in resin too as clean solid design & nothing to really break off, I'd worry about resin riders though with stuck out arms and stuff. But whatever, they're so similar (as you say maybe due to same sculptor) they should scale great.

On my lateral trawling through google I turned up this, good value at £40 for 20 figures (assuming you didn't get screwed by customs for vat etc) I think most of the figures look perfect for Dredd (in various theatres, some for badlands others for Meg1), particularly the heavy citi-def type unit in red (go to link to see big picture, they have very 2000AD styling, in fact they look very similar to the metal hvy Citi-Def Mongoose did for GOMC1). The ones that wouldn't fit with Dredd (like the rocket girl bottom far left) look like very attractive quality figures and would be very saleable at a decent price to people playing those other genres, so you could off-load what didn't work to keep within a good price. And from other photo's they look like they may scale well with Warlord Dredd (although I'm beginning to realise that's a bit of an abstract concept as lots of Warlord Dredd stuff itself struggles to scale with other Warlord Dredd. There is a range of a few at true 28mm, most at tall but slim / vampy 28mm, then there's a few at definitely chunky and very big super heroic 28mm (like the Judge with baton from Judge Cal retinue and the Cursed Earth Desperado top dog who are huge). It's ok with proxies if you stay around the middle of those extremes, but get anywhere near the scale extremes with proxies (height and / or particularly chunkiness), the slightly different styling / uniforms make them scream as being spurious & wrong. It's definitely a matter of suck it and see with these proxies.



http://johnnyborgcastings.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06

(again depends on scale, but if normal heroic 28mm that guy in the bronze coloured space suit would make a great East Meg Jaeger sniper (equivalent to ones in citi-def) or an East Meg Space Judge, if true 28mm and so a bit small, would make a great Rogue Trooper Nort (mask pipes don't go to filter but to an air box so self contained, not necessary but to be perfect I think could easily be modded to Nort tanks).





I've emailed the guy for his opinion on scale, if he thinks they'd work ok will get them (the Citi-Def look too right not to & I think a small hvy unit added to the Warlord Citi-Def, maybe with a couple of quirky combat droids would make them a full on balanced skirmish army) and then post comparisons.

I've got those figures (they were sold off as a Kickstarter a few years ago and as far as I know no more will be made) They match with the warlord/Mongoose figures well but would also work with the old Citadel at a push.  Some great figures there with an old school vibe.  I really must paint mine!

[twrchtrwyth]

Some nice robo-dogs here:
http://www.minibits.net/Robo-Dogs-p917/

[n815e]

http://johnnyborgcastings.blogspot.com/2015/06/excuse-my-mess-am-testing-out-paypal.html?m=1

[Elk101]

The "what sizes up well together" part of this thread is very useful, keep the suggestions coming. I'd have never thought about that ERM line for example.

I've got some old Necromunda Ratskins put aside for Cursed Earthers.