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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: Prof.Witchheimer on July 08, 2013, 07:26:26 AM
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I'm surprised no one did post them until now. I have discovered them some days ago on Paul Hicks Facebook page, apparently it's his recent work for Brigade Games. Nice ones, lovely feathers.
Hope they will do some spectators, too.
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He is a very prodigious sculptor isn't he? :o
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Oh, no!
Even more gladiators I will have to add to the pile of unpainted ones...
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He is a very prodigious sculptor isn't he? :o
Yes, there are not too many things/themes out there which Paul actually didn’t do as yet.
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Not only are they - as expected- beautiful- but they also seem as historically correct as possible.
Small rectangular shield on the Thraex, small round one on the Hoplomachus and so on. The Secutor and Provocator look great too!
Now fervently hoping that Paul will do some variants on these and also the more exotic ones.. ;D
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WOW!! Great find Professor. They are lovely alright. :-*
Some really great poses and yes those feathers are beautiful. Looks like I will be needing these. :'(
Not only are they - as expected- beautiful- but they also seem as historically correct as possible.
Small rectangular shield on the Thraex, small round one on the Hoplomachus and so on. The Secutor and Provocator look great too!
Well, if you want to be picky, it does appear the Secutor is wearing two ocrea, but it's a little hard to tell.
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Oh my! :o :-*
And here I thought I was done buying gladiators... ::)
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Now those i'd buy!
Just a decent set of rules required ...
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Odd the other day I was thinking haven't seen Pauls stuff in a while and wow they are very nice just as I've started reading a gladiator book now
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And there's me just plumped for 54mm gladiators.... ::)
Just a decent set of rules required ...
Check out Furt's thread (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=51608.0) about Blood on the Sands ;)
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And there's me just plumped for 54mm gladiators.... ::)
Check out Furt's thread (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=51608.0) about Blood on the Sands ;)
That could just do the trick. Reminds me of an old "play by phone" game 25+ yeas ago (how i didn't get collared i'll never know)
Best result was when one gladiator had both legs broken and t'other both arms. Something of a stalemate!! lol
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Oh, no!
Even more gladiators I will have to add to the pile of unpainted ones...
You probably in good company with most of the forum :D
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Nice - especially love that Secutor! He's more dynamic than most other Secutor I've seen. I already have more than enough gladiators, but I can see adding these fellows to the ludus, eventually.
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Nice - especially love that Secutor! He's more dynamic than most other Secutor I've seen. I already have more than enough gladiators, but I can see adding these fellows to the ludus, eventually.
The poses in general are all very good. I love Crusader's lot, but they do have some gladiators standing still, which looks a little odd in the arena. None of that here! I wonder what else is planned? No sign of a retiarius yet?
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Lon doesn't nothing halfway usually so I'm actually quite sure this is still the beginning.
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WOW!! Great find Professor. They are lovely alright. :-*
Some really great poses and yes those feathers are beautiful. Looks like I will be needing these. :'(
Well, if you want to be picky, it does appear the Secutor is wearing two ocrea, but it's a little hard to tell.
Yes, you're right. He appears to be wearing 2 ocrea. Shoud be only the left one. However the figure is so nice and dynamic I might even overlook that or - sacrilege!- try to remove the right one.
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Oh, no!
Even more gladiators I will have to add to the pile of unpainted ones...
Oddly enough, while I have a lead mountain second to none, almost all my gladiators are painted. ;D
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As someone who is just beginning to collect (and hopefully paint) gladiators...yet someone who's been unimpressed with most of the available lines...these look great! Consider me sold if he has a few more sets on the way.
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Damn you Paul Hicks!!!
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Plus there is nothing on the Brigade Games website about them.
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I hope they will be available individually.
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Wow, those are beautiful! Must try and purchase some!
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Oddly enough, while I have a lead mountain second to none, almost all my gladiators are painted. ;D
Me too! I think I just passed 50! Why? I have no idea...
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Nice ones indeed, they're of the usual Hicks quality, I'd say. Equipment is well detailed and a lot more to scale than, say, Crusader or Foundry.
That said, I'm not that convinced by the poses. Certainly no fan of silly action moves, but these look like advancing soldiers rather than gladiators preparing for a duel. A bit more of a fencing stance (as captured by Crusader's) would have been nice.
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Love 'em :-*
These may finally tempt me to paint a few gladiators...
Well done Paul.
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Does Paul tread the boards of LAF - perhaps he can enlighten us all?
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I do tread the boards of LAF. There are more planned as I really enjoyed sculpting the Gladiators. As for release they should be out for Historicon later this month. Apart from that I have no idea on what I will be producing next there will be Retiarius. Just trying to think of ways to do the net.
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Thanks Paul for replying so quickly. To be released so soon - goody. :-*
I've always liked this retiarius' pose. I do believe his manica and galerus are on the wrong arm though. Many retiarii poses look more clumsy than agile.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iM_dCLU3TuA/UGhQ4oWKg1I/AAAAAAAAADE/8oqM0Vtfe5M/s1600/Retiarius.JPG)
Also while we have Paul, does anyone else think it would be a good idea to have some gladiators with some separate helms, for better variation?
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Furt - is it possible that that figure is meant to be left handed (an ancient equivalent of a south-paw)?
Helmets - more choice is always good :)
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Furt - is it possible that that figure is meant to be left handed (an ancient equivalent of a south-paw)?
I believe the net would be cast with the main (right) hand normally and the trident held in the off-hand (left) as depicted on the miniature. I do not believe he would cast his net with the armored arm and it also makes more sense to armor the trident arm, as he will be striking out with it. His typical stance would be as depicted in the figure, trident forward, net back ready to lash or be cast. When the net goes he quickly adopts a two-handed hold on the trident, but the left arm still leads - hence it should be the armored one.
A scaeva (south-paw) retiarius would wield his trident in his right hand me thinks.
In saying that all, if someone knows better, please explain it to me. o_o
There is quite a science to this art of killing another man!
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I believe the net would be cast with the main (right) hand normally and the trident held in the off-hand (left) as depicted on the miniature. I do not believe he would cast his net with the armored arm and it also makes more sense to armor the trident arm, as he will be striking out with it. His typical stance would be as depicted in the figure, trident forward, net back ready to lash or be cast. When the net goes he quickly adopts a two-handed hold on the trident, but the left arm still leads - hence it should be the armored one.
A scaeva (south-paw) retiarius would wield his trident in his right hand me thinks.
In saying that all, if someone knows better, please explain it to me. o_o
There is quite a science to this art of killing another man!
That makes sense. Thanks
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I do tread the boards of LAF. There are more planned as I really enjoyed sculpting the Gladiators. As for release they should be out for Historicon later this month. Apart from that I have no idea on what I will be producing next there will be Retiarius. Just trying to think of ways to do the net.
Very nice job, as usual.
Argh, historicon is a bit too far for me. :'(
Will they be available elsewhere?
About the retiarius, i,'ve got one like this:
http://www.taleofwar.com/shop/product.php?id_product=66
His net is not too bad.
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I believe the net would be cast with the main (right) hand normally and the trident held in the off-hand (left) as depicted on the miniature. I do not believe he would cast his net with the armored arm and it also makes more sense to armor the trident arm, as he will be striking out with it. His typical stance would be as depicted in the figure, trident forward, net back ready to lash or be cast. When the net goes he quickly adopts a two-handed hold on the trident, but the left arm still leads - hence it should be the armored one.
Most mosaics and paintings seem to show the retiarius after he has used his net in the two-hands-on-his-trident pose:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img18/4131/4ivw.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img827/7741/1vu1.jpg)
But this one shows a retiarius while still armed with trident and net, although I'll admit the net is hard to make out as it only just shows before the broken edge of the mosaic:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img109/5136/1zfw.jpg)
On the other hand, according to some research by a HEMA friend of mine, Georges Dubois (1900's France, fencer, martial artist, general antagonistics enthusiast and practitioner) wanted to reintroduce gladiator combat as a means of suitable martial exercise and wrote some articles for "la Culture Physique" between November 1907 and February 1908 which I am reliably informed are available online through Gallica. In them he talks about the retiarius "holding his net chambered on his left arm" and says several times directly and implication that the trident will be wielded in the right. He does not mention the manica as far as I can tell, so don't know how he reconciled protection and manoeuvrability.
That'll leave the answer as clear as mud then lol lol lol
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Thanks Rabs for clearing that up. o_o o_o o_o
It really is a difficult subject matter.
Here is a link to some (rather serious) "mock" gladiator combats involving retiarii
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY2QwsnhDEo
That big retiarius looks bloody dangerous.
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Thanks for sharing chap
Certainly food for thought.The Retiarius look like they were having the best of it.
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I am currently awaiting molds to arrive. I should have a small supply at Historicon as timing is getting tight (HCon is next week and we leave early on Tuesday.)
Many new releases coming over the next few weeks. And Paul has a large list to keep him busy.
As usual, Paul has done a phenomenal job on these. They were originally due to be out in March but he wanted to take his time and get them right. The result was worth the wait.
Buy them so we can make more. They should be up in the store as a preorder by the weekend.
b/r
Lon
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I am currently awaiting molds to arrive. I should have a small supply at Historicon as timing is getting tight (HCon is next week and we leave early on Tuesday.)
Many new releases coming over the next few weeks. And Paul has a large list to keep him busy.
As usual, Paul has done a phenomenal job on these. They were originally due to be out in March but he wanted to take his time and get them right. The result was worth the wait.
Buy them so we can make more. They should be up in the store as a preorder by the weekend.
b/r
Lon
Great news Lon. Are you open to suggestions on what "the mob" desires from a new gladiator range?
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I'll be buying them! Personally I'd like to see a few in training gear and unhelmeted, like the cast of Spartacus: Blood and Sand strutting around the ludus. Maybe not accurate, but useful, at least for me!
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I'll be buying them! Personally I'd like to see a few in training gear and unhelmeted
Now that's a good idea.
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I'm definitely in for a bunch. :D
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I can see me making up an overdue Brigade Games order when these are released. Great stuff Paul.
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I am always open to suggestions for my ranges.
I am more open when the ranges sell well ;)
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Just let me know how many packs I have to sneak past my better half, and you have at least one buyer! ::)
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I am always open to suggestions for my ranges.
I am more open when the ranges sell well ;)
Here is my wish list Santa:
Some "common" gladiator types like thraex, secutors and murmillos with separate helmets and maybe even an open weapon hand. The gladiators with separate heads could also be used for fantasy stuff by throwing an orc head on the body etc.
"Champion" gladiators that have more elaborate armor and decoration, for example, like Tigris from that Gladiator movie.
A loose pack of gladiator helms (for use on above and for fallen helmets).
A loose weapons pack including: a thrown net, gladius, sica, parma (small shield), scutum, etc.
Spectators - shouting, cheering, fist shaking, exchanging coin, booing, thumb pointing, and women ones too.
Some colorful lanista types, watching their investments fighting in the arena.
I'm sure I'll think of some more...
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Perhaps a small line of poorly equipped slaves...just four or five poses with simple weapons, and normal tunics, for use in larger arena games where they might be set against a small number of proper gladiators. As mentioned earlier some practicing gladiators (possibly painted up with wooden swords). Heck these could actually be the same figures.
Other than that I support the suggestions Furt made.
Oh...and some dead bodies or a couple gladiators on their knees, defeated pleading for mercy. While I don't normally bother with wounded/dead models for large games, gladiator games are such small scale that I would be willing to paint up some defeated gladiators for use during the game etc.
I do think also, a small set for the head patron who is paying for the game would be nice. A couple rich Romans seated in chairs, with a lovely lady or two. Predominantly for use in the parapet where they would watch the games.
While I don't suggest that we need any new Roman sculpts, maybe link a page to your gladiators where we can pick up some Roman foot soldiers for use as guards etc.
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Here is my wish list Santa:
Some "common" gladiator types like thraex, secutors and murmillos with separate helmets and maybe even an open weapon hand. The gladiators with separate heads could also be used for fantasy stuff by throwing an orc head on the body etc.
"Champion" gladiators that have more elaborate armor and decoration, for example, like Tigris from that Gladiator movie.
A loose pack of gladiator helms (for use on above and for fallen helmets).
A loose weapons pack including: a thrown net, gladius, sica, parma (small shield), scutum, etc.
Spectators - shouting, cheering, fist shaking, exchanging coin, booing, thumb pointing, and women ones too.
Some colorful lanista types, watching their investments fighting in the arena.
I'm sure I'll think of some more...
Looks very much like my wish list. :)
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Perhaps a small line of poorly equipped slaves...just four or five poses with simple weapons, and normal tunics, for use in larger arena games where they might be set against a small number of proper gladiators.
There is already a lot of nice poorly equipped slaves from Foundry:
http://wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/civilians-18th-century-and-ancients/ancient-civilians-collection-bcciv003
Spectators - shouting, cheering, fist shaking, exchanging coin, booing, thumb pointing, and women ones too.
Yes, that's what I would appreciate, too. There are tons of Gladiators out there, of all types, scales and styles. But only a few spectators.
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I was only yesterday looking at these sculpts on the Brigade Games site (and thinking buy, buy buy!) and then today I find this thread. I think someone is trying to tell me something!
I must admit I didn't realise they were by Paul Hicks, kind of obvious now!
But more spectators would be good. A fast food seller would be good; otters noses, that kind of thing.
My Gladiator project is waiting in the wings.
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Just watched that video and that's something I really want to try :D :D :D
I did see a bit of cheating going on, there were a couple of times one fella was hamstringed and didn't go down. It's just not cricket :D
cheers
James
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Despite the fact I have all the Foundry Gladiators, and many of the Crusader ones too, these look to good to ignore. I will definitely be getting these! I suppose you can never have to many Gladiators :)
I would love the less common Gladiator types to be added. The Laquerarius, Contra-retiarius, Gladiatrix, Velite, Sagittarius, Eques, Essadarius, Scissori, Cruppellarius and Gaetulian.
I don't know if I would buy spectator models myself, but I could see them selling well.
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I picked up this set, and a set of Brigade Games Bushwackers which I would not have ordered solo. So...well done! I actually only have 6 other gladiator minis, but they happen to be a Retiarius, Lacquerius, etc...so I think I'll have the major options covered. Excellent.
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What Lon really needs to produce, is a second Provocatore since they only fought each other, a Scissores and a Diamcharius as well as the aforementioned Retarius.
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Looking at the pictures. With all the apparent research that went into these figures why did Paul omit the two Orcea on the Hoplomachus?? It is still a very nice figure, but there is just no excuse for the omission.
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Sorry im even thicker than usuall but can you buy these yet?
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Ok Nick? He does wear two greaves on his lower legs.
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Mo! go to Brigade Games and click on the last entry "Gladiators" available separately or as a set.
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Looking at the pictures. With all the apparent research that went into these figures why did Paul omit the two Orcea on the Hoplomachus?? It is still a very nice figure, but there is just no excuse for the omission.
The hoplomachus has two ocrea - am I missing something? :?
Mo! go to Brigade Games and click on the last entry "Gladiators" available separately or as a set.
Just ordered mine. :D
Don't buy them separately!! They are $4.00 each or all 5 for $16.00 - that's a bargain!!
We have to support this new line so we can get more!!
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Yep...I just stepped out to prime my current gladiators and it's raining! NOOOOO! :?
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Unless I am wrong on my terminolgy, aren;t the orcea the leg wrappings that run up to the thigh?
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Fascia, I believe is the term for the actual padding, where as the Ocrea are the actual armor pieces.
At least that's what I figured from the small bit of research I've done.
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Okay then, the Murmillo has them where he should not while the Hoplomachus does not where he should.
Paul, no offense meant please, they are gorgeous figures, and I expect I will end up buying them.
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Considering how little we know about gladiators and the span of what...300 years that they fought, I'm sure there was a lot of variation. lol These are still loads better than the Black Tree Design ones which seem predominantly based on movies and comic books. :D
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I had read that the Hoplomachus in a couple of sources also wore trews very much like those worn by Northern Europeans and that is what I went for. Also I had found sources I admit secondary that show the Murmillo wearing the padding on the legs.
No offense taken just very proud of the figures.
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I think you have them correct, according to the sources I know. The fascia on the off-leg for the Murmillo might get some boos, but is quite possible.
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I can't wait for these to arrive...(chomping at bit)
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How will these match in size and heft with the Crusader Gladiators?
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They lack the gigantic helmets from the Crusader, from the looks of them! ::)
Am I the only one bothered by that from the Crusader line? I've seen some nice paintjobs, but those helmets!
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They lack the gigantic helmets from the Crusader, from the looks of them! ::)
Am I the only one bothered by that from the Crusader line? I've seen some nice paintjobs, but those helmets!
Don't like them, too. Sure, these helmets were quite large but some of Crusader ones are almost shoulder wide. But who cares, it's only matter of taste.
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Yes, I've been put off by Crusader's line of gladiators - though some paintjobs on this very forum almost changed my mind.
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Funny, up until the release of the new Paul Hicks figures, I was under the impression that the Crusader models were regarded as the best out there. I actually just repurchased painted ones I had sold.
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I like "some" of the Foundry ones, though their huge line is done by a half dozen or more sculptors. Several of the sets are quite excellent. I do think the Hicks ones look the best (and if the line ends up being fairly comprehensive I'd happily stick to them).
For the time being I'll paint up my handful of Foundry ones so I have something to game with.
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Here is the store link -
http://www.brigadegames.com/Gladiators_c_483.html (http://www.brigadegames.com/Gladiators_c_483.html)
Thanks for the comments and discussion.
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I like the looks of these quite a bit. I have all the Crusader ones, I even have a couple primed ;)
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If i could have got hold of the Hicks sculps at the time i would have. Otherwise, i'm very pleased with the Crusader figures i bought.
I don't need/want more than half a dozen figures and the Crusaders figures do the job very well IMO
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If i could have got hold of the Hicks sculps at the time i would have. Otherwise, i'm very pleased with the Crusader figures i bought.
My thoughts exactly. There is no doubt Mr. Hicks' gladiators are looking LOVELY, but I'm not about to abandon my Crusader gladiators.
There is more than enough room for a few manufacturers of gladiators, considering these are single figures and not armies, but I'd imagine the companies do not make a packet out of these lines.
So please lets support them and buy them ALL. You can never have too many gladiators. ;)
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The difference is that most of you guys can paint well enough to make any miniature look good. I can't and thus need as good a miniature as possible to carry the weight of a piss poor paint job! lol
Who makes the best spectators/editors etc? I'd like to pick up a handful to get started.
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The difference is that most of you guys can paint well enough to make any miniature look good. I can't and thus need as good a miniature as possible to carry the weight of a piss poor paint job! lol
Who makes the best spectators/editors etc? I'd like to pick up a handful to get started.
Crusader has some nice spectators:
http://crusaderminiatures.com/list.php?cat=1&sub=27&page=1
(http://crusaderminiatures.com/images/img607.jpg)
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So please lets support them and buy them ALL. You can never have too many gladiators. ;)
My thoughts exactly!
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The Crupellarius and Scissor
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w15/paulhicks1975/DSCF0001_zpscd8809c0.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/paulhicks1975/media/DSCF0001_zpscd8809c0.jpg.html)
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w15/paulhicks1975/DSCF0002_zpsc38e7ca6.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/paulhicks1975/media/DSCF0002_zpsc38e7ca6.jpg.html)
Provocator and Retiarius
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w15/paulhicks1975/DSCF0004_zpsb6df822d.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/paulhicks1975/media/DSCF0004_zpsb6df822d.jpg.html)
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w15/paulhicks1975/DSCF0003_zps8f11cc01.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/paulhicks1975/media/DSCF0003_zps8f11cc01.jpg.html)
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I really like the Retiarius. Though the rest is quite lovely, too :-*
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Sorry, didn't realise that there are now two threads on the same news topic. Let's continue the discussion in the new one here (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=56534.0).