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Offline Siaba

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Battle of Krasnoiarsk
« on: 07 January 2012, 07:42:19 PM »
Anyone get informations about this battle ?
All I know comes from the Osprey about the Czech legion. It state it involved the 1st independent shock batallion, the czech 6th regiment, a officer mounted regiment from Barnaul and the Trofimov cosack regiment (curious to lnow more about the last two units, too).
Anyone know what were the red forces involved and how the battle was fought ?

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Re: Battle of Krasnoiarsk
« Reply #1 on: 08 January 2012, 12:15:15 PM »
I understand correctly that you are interested in fighting on the Klyukvensk and the Mariinsky front in 1918?
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Re: Battle of Krasnoiarsk
« Reply #2 on: 09 January 2012, 12:42:12 AM »
I remember the Barnual Officers Regiment being present in the game Revolution Under Siege, but beyond their name and location of battle I haven't found much about them.

I believe the 1st Independent Shock Regiment was something of a Russian-offshoot of the Czechoslovak 'stormtroops.' If I remember them correctly from the Osprey book, they wore no shoulderboards and had a skull-and-crossbones in a red triangle as their regimental insignia.

The Trofimov Cossack regiment doesn't ring any bells for me, though the fact that they fought in Krasnoyark means they were likely Yenisei or Siberian Cossacks.

EDIT: It appears I got the 1st Independent Shock Regiment confused with the Slav Shock Division,, which was also a largely Czechoslovak unit similar to the Kornilov Shock Divison.
« Last Edit: 09 January 2012, 12:45:49 AM by Ataman »

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Re: Battle of Krasnoiarsk
« Reply #3 on: 09 January 2012, 03:52:39 AM »
When it comes to fighting in 1918, the main things were not right in the Krasnoyarsk and the city Mariinsk (it's located near).

May 25, 1918

During these events, two-tier Czechs were at the station of the city Mariinsk. They obtained a secret order of the uprising against the Soviets.
At this point in Mariinsk arrived Omsk guerrilla group the Red Guards (200-300 people).. These "partisans" began to plunder the inhabitants of the city. The local Red Guards began to protect residents. With the robbers started shooting.
Residents also appealed to the Czechs. Czech soldiers (their trains were standing next to the echelon of "partisan") bandits quickly disarmed and captured two guns, a hundred guns, ammunition, and several hundred hand grenades. Were immediately captured all the key buildings in the city.

However, many of the Bolsheviks managed to leave the city.
 They took up defensive positions near the river Kiya. Sudden, - Mariinsky front, held the positions of 10-12 km in length and was fortified machine gun points, rows of trenches, three guns near the village of Vtoraya Pristan, sleepers and rails for the railway bridge. The basis of its fortifications were earthen trench depth over a meter high earthen parapets.
 To strengthen the front were sent here from neighboring stations and settlements Itat, Achinsk, Bogotol, Kansk, Krasnoyarsk and other additional armed detachments of the Red Guard and internationalists.

The offensive began in the white night of June 16, when the truce expired, concluded earlier with the Krasnoyarsk Bolsheviks. By this time in Mariinsk, is the starting point of offensive operations focused strike force of the Czecho-white, made up of the Czechoslovak detachment force of 400 infantry and 2 guns and 2 guns, and one company of the Tomsk Regiment - 144 bayonets and two heavy guns; and Novonikolayevsky regiment - 277 infantry and cavalry.

Mariinsky by the Red, numbering about 1.5 thousand people, with 3 guns and 18 machine guns, suffered a complete defeat. Czecho-White captured 2 guns, 15 machine guns, several hundred rifles, 120 artillery shells, 18 thousand rounds of ammunition and 475 prisoners. Remains of the Mariinsky unit (300-400 people). Retreated by rail to the side of Krasnoyarsk.

 The success of the whites was made a surprise attack on the flank and rear by crawling across the river Kiya.

 More violent clashes between red and white were not. Reds left Krasnoyarsk without a fight.

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Re: Battle of Krasnoiarsk
« Reply #4 on: 09 January 2012, 04:13:34 AM »
That's looked Austrian prisoners, which constituted the best military units Red (international units) in Siberia in 1918



 In Siberia, while there were a lot of POW camps. Due to the revolutionary events, problems with food and other prisoners were in the severe conditions in areas where there was fighting Russian Civil War. They actually had to stand up for one of the warring parties.
 The Austrians, Hungarians and Germans, mostly on the side of the Bolsheviks (not to be captured by the interventionists). On the side of the Whites were the Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, Romanians and others.



International group of Red Guards defending Barnaul in 1918. The Hungarians have their Austrian uniform, and even in their buttonholes insignia on his collar.


Reconstruction of the appearance of red internationalist:


« Last Edit: 09 January 2012, 04:22:50 AM by cuprum »

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Re: Battle of Krasnoiarsk
« Reply #5 on: 09 January 2012, 04:21:42 AM »
Siberian Army soldiers, who stood together with the Czechs against the Bolsheviks were as follows:

http://siberia-miniatures.ru/forum/showthread.php?fid=12&tid=52



Czechs (top two figures correspond to the events described):

« Last Edit: 09 January 2012, 04:33:57 AM by cuprum »

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Re: Battle of Krasnoiarsk
« Reply #6 on: 09 January 2012, 07:09:46 AM »
Here is a little more on the affair:

MARIINSK 25 May 1918
Our forces in Mariinsk consisted of 26 officers, 413 men, 119 rifles, 2 Kolt machine
guns and 3 light machine guns. The incoming Czechoslovak artillery train had 559 men and
47 rifles, but it did not have any machine guns or guns. The Bolshevik train standing at the
station in Mariinsk had approximately 300 men and 2 guns. Moreover, there was an unknown
force garrison in the town. After the secret instructions were given, our volunteers started to
act as if they had started training. They were armed mostly with sticks, shovels and axes.
Following the signal, the Bolshevik train standing by was disarmed and right after that the
whole town was occupied. The battle took place on 25 May and it lasted from 14:00 to 17:00.
It brought us the following booty: 2 guns, more than a hundred rifles with ammunition and 12
several hundred hand grenades; this was simply everything we had missed. However, the
Bolshevik Headquarters had managed to warn the surrounding Bolshevik companies before
they fled away. These companies started to assemble around the town of Mariinsk and,
therefore, our Mariinsk garrison was encircled. The Bolshevik forces were superior because
only in the east there were about 800 Bolsheviks with 4 cannons and the men force in the west
could not even be found out.
»Mariinsk is the town with to 30,000 inhabitants and it is known as the granary for the
large territory of Siberia.This battle was the first military operation of Tatranský Rifle
Regiment against Bolshevik troops under the command of Capt Kadlec. Occupation of the
town and the station was then reported to the regiment commander Capt Gajda: Mariinsk,
596, 25., 17 hours. Station Novonikolayevsk. To commander of the 7 Czechoslovak Regiment
Capt Gajda. Ešelon Koudelka is standing at the station in Mariinsk. Everything is O.K. Capt
Kadlec: which meant – we have seized the station in Mariinsk.«

NOVONIKOLAYEVSK 25 May 1918
Our garrison in Novonikolayevsk consisting of 1,478 men with 610 rifles, 5 heavy
machine guns and 7 light machine guns seized the station as well as the town at night from 25
May to 26 May. The battle did not last long but was intense. However, the booty was bigger
than in Mariinsk: 1,620 rifles, 2 machine guns and some explosives. The Bolsheviks ran away
toward Barnaul and Tajga, where they started to organize again. The 6th Czechoslovak
Regiment was deployed west of Novonikolayevsk and the Bolsheviks were east of Mariinsk;
therefore the main task was to join the group commanded by Capt Kadlec in Mariinsk. After
the reencounter at Jurg and Litvonov, the station Taiga was seized and the Soviet local
government of Tomsk had fled away. When pursuing the Bolsheviks further toward the east,
our troops met with the unit in Mariinsk, which was engaged in heavy battles for its existence.
These were the battles against huge superior forces encircling Mariinsk, without any
communication and messages about our nearest units.
On 2 June, the Bolshevik delegation and the members of the American Mercantile
Agency came to Mariinsk from Irkutsk and they asked our soldiers to hand in all the weapons.
However, they did not succeed and so they decided to talk to Capt Gajda who refused them
even more vehemently. They only succeeded to sign the truce until 16 June because our
troops needed it as well. However, the Bolsheviks were removing their reserves closer and
closer and they were getting ready for a new battle.
»As it has been already mentioned, the town of Novonikolayevsk situated west of
Mariinsk was the command post of the regiment commander Capt Gajda. After the station in
Mariinsk, situated east of Novonikolayevsk, had been seized by units of the 7th Regiment, the
Bolsheviks, whose position was between these two stations, ended up in the grip of Capt
Kadlec and Capt Gajda. That is why they wanted to make a sudden attack, but it was just an
attempt to get away which was unsuccessful.«

SECOND BATTLE AT MARIINSK
When the truce ended, our troops left Mariinsk and continued toward the east; on 17
June, the gripping circle east of Mariinsk was broken. The Bolsheviks ended up with losses of
approximately 600 prisoners of wars, about 300 men and no one ever found out how many
men were buried in the inaccessible taiga. The Russian Bolsheviks gave up easily, but the
German and Hungarian Bolsheviks resisted until the end of the fight.
»The second battle at Mariinsk meant the utter defeat of Bolshevik troops encircling
the town and, consequently, it meant also the end of “Mariinsk Front“. This happened after
several negotiations with Bolsheviks and a few protractions when negotiating the truce.
However, such a truce with Bolshevik conditions and terms was unacceptable for the
Czechoslovak forces. Nonetheless, the cease-fire allowed the Czechoslovak soldiers enough
time to rearrange the forces. Then Capt. Gajda issued an order to conduct an operation
aimed at breaking through the Mariinsk circle at the direction of Krasnoyarsk.«

BARABINSK, KABAKLY, KOLCUGINO, BARNAUL
Meanwhile, the Novonikolayevsk group came to help the 6th Regiment and, on 6 June,
it conquered the Bolsheviks at Barabinsk and Kabakly, and on the other side against Barnaul
and on the Kolcugino railway. In these places, however, we received help from the weak but
still good Russian volunteer anti-Bolshevik military units. With help of these units out troops
managed to seize Cerepanovo on 5 June and later, on 15 June, Barnaul was occupied after
heavy fighting. Russian volunteers continued pursuing Bolsheviks toward Semipalatinsk and
our troops seized Biysk. At the battle near Kolcugino, the Bolshevik troops were liquidated on
3 and 4 June.
»After the battle at Novonikolayevsk and Mariinsk, it was necessary to secure our
position for the further advance toward the east. Because of this, the Czechoslovak unit was
spread in several sides: to the east towards Mariinsk following the Kolcugino railway track,
to the west towards Barnaul situated on the left bank of the Ob River. Since there was an
imminent danger of enveloping attack, the town of Barabinks was seized on 6 June, and the
enemy was forced out from Kabakla. As a result of this operation, our unit joined another
group of the 7th regiment and, consequently, the railway track from Omsk to Marriinsk was
unblocked.«

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Re: Battle of Krasnoiarsk
« Reply #7 on: 11 January 2012, 06:19:36 PM »
Sorry for not having answered sooner but my job took most of my time thes last days.
The invaluable informations you provided are exactly what I was looking for.
Thank you very much for you help  :) 

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Re: Battle of Krasnoiarsk
« Reply #8 on: 14 January 2012, 09:09:27 PM »
Great information! I wanted some Hungarians ever since my visit to Budapest some months ago. German and Hungarian Bolsheviks in the Back of Beyond is just what I need. I already had a platoon of german spartakists that can easily double as bolshevik POWs.

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