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Offline Timbor

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Recommended 3D printers?
« on: 20 September 2017, 03:58:51 PM »
I have been looking at a few of the 3D printer (mostly terrain) projects on KS lately, and have been wondering what it would take to get into the game of playing with a 3D printer. Anyone have any recommendations?

What resolution is appropriate to print terrain or vehicles for 28mm scale and not have it covered in visible print lines?

How much time would one need to invest to learn how to run a printer, troubleshoot, etc? (I would need more of a plug and play type of printer, as I am not that tech-savvy and don't have tons of time to invest)

Any suggestions on specific printers?

What material do most people use? I hear a lot about folks using PLA. It is supposed to be 'biodegradable'... how long until one might see their terrain/figures starting to degrade?

Thanks in advance for any advice!
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Offline matakishi

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Re: Recommended 3D printers?
« Reply #1 on: 20 September 2017, 07:52:13 PM »
I would recommend the Omega 13 printer as a starter machine. there are cheaper ones but they will mean investing more time troubleshooting more often.
It is marketed under different names around the world.



You will need to experiment with layers to see what you're happy with. I see no reason not to print at the highest resolution possible but other disagree. It'll depend on what you're printing.

You can set up a printer in 20 minutes. You can fix common faults in half an hour for a filament jam. Nothing requires specialist knowledge really. 3D printing is not plug and play however, you will need to have some input some of the time.

PLA is easy to print with. Wood is biodegradable too, that doesn't mean it's fragile. Your PLA stuff is not going to dissolve.

My thoughts on 3D printing are here:
http://www.matakishi.net/3d-printing-odyssey.html
Stuff I've printed:
http://www.matakishi.net/3d-printing.html
Lots of stuff here too:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=98364.0

Offline Timbor

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Re: Recommended 3D printers?
« Reply #2 on: 21 September 2017, 02:24:44 AM »
Well, I wasn't planning to get a printer from KS... mostly the files like on this project:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1679800548/dragonlock-3-dangerous-lairs/posts/1993612

or this one:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/printablescenery/rampage-gothic-3d-printable-scenery-building-syste?ref=profile_created

Are your reservations about projects like these?

Also, I heard some good things about this one as well, the Maker Select Plus, any thoughts?
https://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=15711

How does the Omega and this one compare to say, the prusa i3 (other than pricepoint)?
http://shop.prusa3d.com/en/3d-printers/53-original-prusa-i3-mk2s-3d-printer.html

Offline Timbor

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Re: Recommended 3D printers?
« Reply #3 on: 21 September 2017, 08:51:00 PM »
ok, thanks for the clarification  ;)

For something like this, I would definitely want something that has a decent community that can help me out if there is a problem, as well as an established history of quality. Just gotta find what is most readily available in Canada, as I expect shipping and duties would be pretty steep to order internationally...

Offline Timbor

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Re: Recommended 3D printers?
« Reply #4 on: 22 September 2017, 03:49:14 AM »
I can see a few of them on there... do you mean the one that is titled '3D printing'?

Offline rwwin

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Re: Recommended 3D printers?
« Reply #5 on: 27 September 2017, 05:36:20 AM »
I've been 3D printing terrain for just over two years and hear are my thoughts:

I agree with Surv that you don't want to go with a machine off of KS.  That made sense 3-4 years ago when things were just getting rolling, but now there are enough companies making solid machines, that there's no reason to take a risk on an unproven machine or company.

My first printer was a Printrbot Simple.  While that machine produced good prints, it just wasn't reliable enough and I spent a lot of time repairing it or replacing parts.  I would recommend against any of the current Printrbot models.  Earlier this year I replaced the Printrbot with a Prusa i3 MkIIs (assembled, not the kit).  This is a fabulous machine and has been very reliable and user friendly.  I would wholeheartedly recommend one but you need to do your homework to figure out what's right for you.  The Prusa, with shipping and customs to the US came to just over $1,000.  That's at the high end of what I'd consider an entry level printer. 

As to the Kickstarter campaigns or the files themselves.  I've participated in a few and I've found them hit and miss.  I went in for both the Dragonlock 1 and 2 campaigns and am on the fence for the third  (I now have more files than I can possibly ever print).  The files FDG puts out are fairly well done with good sculpting and are generally well though out in terms of parts breakdown, avoiding overhangs etc.  If anything slips through that is sub par, they've taken feedback quickly and redesigned the parts to address concerns.

I also participated in two of the Printable Scenery campaigns and was much less impressed.  For the same price as the FDG KS campaigns you got something like half again or double the amount of files, but they were much poorer in terms of sculpting and there was less though and care taken with parts breakdown.  Supposedly they've gotten much better in the last couple of campaigns, but I didn't participate.  There's also a ton of other companies crowding in.  I've done some of my own design for my own use and it's easy to 3D sculpt and draft something that looks good, but it's slow and hard to design something that prints well every time on every machine with every slicer.

I think with all of the companies selling terrain files, caveat emptor.  Renders often look great on the screen but can turn out less great if thought and care hasn't been taken to make sure detail is scaled properly, parts are broken down so they print easily and things like overhangs or bridges are minimized.

My advice would be to find a machine and learn how to print first and worry about the KS campaigns in the future.  Most of the successful companies like FDG or PS offer the files from a web store after the campaign, you just end up paying more later.  I'd start by just downloading free files from Thingiverse or Yegi and figure out what you're doing before investing any money in files.

 

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