BR-52 train in 1/56

[redzed]

Hello people, 
Would you like to own one of these-







We are putting together a small group of 'Fundholders' to commission and cast a BR-52 Loco & tender in 1/56 scale, to be used with S scale track.

There's a You Tube Link HERE

It's a big bit of kit, about 60cm long.

are you interested?

Initially we want 10-12 fundholders paying  £100 each, all Fundholders will have equal ownership and an equal voice.
We have a good quote for the masters of £800-ish, the moulding will cost about £300.
Any later sales of the train will be divided equally between the Fundholders (We don't expect a lot but you will end up with an awesome looking bit of kit).
We aren't looking at mass production, but the idea is that the cash from anyone buying one (after the Fundholders are agreed, and production commences,) goes towards reimbursing part of the initial costs of the Fundholders.


As fundholders everyone will receive exactly the same say in all aspects and own exactly the same amount of the master and moulds.
No money will be held by anyone person (everyone will be responsible for paying their share to the individual contractor (the contractors being- the pattern maker, moulding costs, casting & p&p costs). There may  be a surcharge for non-UK residents due to the weight.


Anyone may apply by contacting us (use the PM function).
The group as whole can decide whom may become a Fundholder.
If you are under 18 you may not join. (sorry it's the law)


The only plan is to get one BR-52 cast for each fundholder.
The first part of that plan is to get the 'fundholders'.
After that we we'll need a mini-forum to discuss all aspects of the project. Then we will commission the pattern maker.

The second part of the plan is to get the moulds made-
It should be easy enough, but with a mini-forum we'll be able to get lots of views on the matter.

Then to get the train cast and shipped to the Fundholders.
The overall plan is for each fundholder to get a bespoke bit of kit for £100, anything else is a bonus.

It's early days at the moment so it may all come crashing down.
We are looking at Salute 2010 for the completion.

Fundholders so far are - Akula, Cyano, Tardis (Stronghold Miniatures), Lee (MCS Miniatures) Alex Bews (Witch Hunter, LAF), redzed.

[Westfalia Chris]

Sooo... that´s the WW2 "Kriegslokomotive" variant of the BR52 they´re talking about? Oh boy. Talk about tempting.

[Helen]

Good Luck with the Project. I do hope we see this model in all its glory on the gaming table in months to come.

Best wishes for the adventure.

Helen

[Captain Blood]

Wow.
I have no earthly use for one of those - but I do love the entrepreneurial syndicate idea, with (at worst) a great and unique model in your possession, and at best, a big fat profit!

Sadly though, I don't do trains.

Come up with a different product, and I could well be in 

(Sorry, that doesn't help much, does it? But I'm with you in spirit... )

Good luck with the choo-choo though. Brilliant scheme.

[redzed]

Quick update-

Potter 666 is now on the team

Lon from Brigade Games is also signed up

Yay 0:)

[former user]

what is that?
my gawd....
I'm blinded......
awe-some...

[Bungle]

Here you are RedZed



Tillig 02271 Dampflok BR52 DB Ep.III Spur TT

European TT so 1/120.... just about passable for 15mm wargaming and only EUR 189,00

so the 1/56 one seems like a bargain.

nice tank transporter too

[Buzgob]

I'll join in. I love these trains. Have a few from Märklin in HO scale, but what a brute that would be in 1/56.
Oh, and I'm in the Netherlands, but that should not be a problem I guess.

[former user]

I would have some questions
mybe not that bad tp post them here, so You don't have to repeat the answers

how firm is the decision on the type of the loco?
because, a kriegslokomotive is of course usable only in WWII and later
but there are many of similar configuration built earlier which would be usable for more periods and more fractions

will there be a limit for the nr. of owners? (upper/lower?)

I would be interested, but not with this type
so therefore need to know how open a debate is actually?
namely is this a project
"we want this loco"
or "we want a loco, preferably this configuration"
because a wider period use would open the interest of more wargamers, maybe?

there is also the question of the wheels
from my experience, I would rather prefer wheels from a manufacturer, cause resin/lead wheels tend to be problematic when it comes to rolling
and I would always advise a loco which can roll on the tracks and does not have to be dragged along (heavy resin, fine details that can break, etc)
there is also the question if buying from a manufacturerer is not cheaper then  master/moulds/resin/defective casts

using available parts in general (yes I know, the scale is not regular, but there might be parts usable)
might also lower the costs

[Bungle]

I think RedZed would like a BR-52 locos for WW2 gaming, and he is trying to find other people that would like one.

Getting free running commercial wheels in S gauge will be difficult.

If you have another loco that you would like, this board would be a great place to open up discussion in new threads.. perhaps one for each loco.

Its a great idea - a 10 club -   one for a train suitable for Burma... one for VBCW... WW1.. ;-)

[former user]

I understand, and I did not want to post off topic, but I think that a little wider perspective might improve the chance of the project getting started

there are some "decapods" of similar appearance which entered service around 1917 and were surely used in WWII
a BR52 Kriegslokomotive could only be used in WWII and after, and on the german side

whereas an earlier loco could be used in WWI, Interwar and WWII, and that on many sides, since there was export and war reparations, captured locos etc
also there might be the option of using the running gear for armoured or streamlined versions as well, or simply to sell the running gear to scratchbuilders - thus creating cost lowering synergy effects

I hope that the increase in "target market" is obvious

so my questions were not entirely egoistic

additionally, the gauge of standard railway modelling wheels is not that important, since there were many different diameters depending on the loco type
I converted two gauge 0 locos with wheels from gauges HO, G and I

the BR 52 could therefore run on smaller gauge 0, big HO gauge or very small gauge I wheels, which are available as spare parts and could be negotiated in larger quantities from a manufacturer - there are many sizes (remeber, for 10 locos only it is 100 wheels!)
I don't know the waste rate in casting resin, but I heard it to be rather high and resin very expensive...

[redzed]

how firm is the decision on the type of the loco?

ten people have sighed-up so far, so the decision is fairly certain.

because, a kriegslokomotive is of course usable only in WWII and later

I'll be using mine for RCW-onwards and I know other members will be using the loco for other periods and other countries.
Mine will also be used for Pulp games set in 1930's America.

will there be a limit for the nr. of owners? (upper/lower?)

no limit, but anyone who isn't a Fundholder at the start can't join later.
Once the commission has started the book will be closed.

there is also the question of the wheels

the train us a gaming piece first and a model second. No parts will move and a lot of the detail will be cast on so they don't 'ping off' when used in games.
A bespoke gaming piece is what is required more than a true model.
S track scale was chosen as it's the size being widely used by gamers.

I don't know the waste rate in casting resin, but I heard it to be rather high and resin very expensive..

we will be using the industries best mouldmakers and casters, we won't be skimping on these costs.

[Bungle]

Hmm a Prussian G 12 built between 1917–1924 and retired after WW2 but continued to be used well into the 60's

Big Loco... 2-10-0... it might fit Reds requirements.

Used by the Imperial Railways in Alsace-Lorraine, the Grand Duchy of Baden State Railway, the Royal Saxon State Railways, the Royal Württemberg State Railways, Baden, the Prussian state railways, the Deutsche Reichsbahn.

Poland, Austria, Soviet Union in 1949 and Luxembourg



I believe things are up for discussion between "fund holders".... do you have scale plans?

[former user]

see what I mean....

so, if the question of the type is being reopened, I'd consider joining in

you did not ask me about scale plans did you?

[redzed]

I believe things are up for discussion between "fund holders".... do you have scale plans?

no plans, if you'd like to be a Fundholder please feel free to join
The discussion on exactly what will be built will be decided by the fundholdrers, all of the fundholders so far want a BR-52, otherewise they wouldn't of joined, however , if you join you can ask for a change, but you do have to abide by the majority decision.