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Offline Johnny Boy

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Morning all, I'm waiting on the Footsore Welsh from the Baron's War range and was wondering which figures would be good including the rank and file. I've been gotten into the Griff Hosker Border Knight series of books and there is some great inspiration for scenarios. I don't have much time to research all this myself so any help for figure ranges and reading/reference material would be greatly appreciated with Christmas rapidly approaching.
Many thanks in advance
JB

Offline brunei35

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There is a couple of packs in this range that I plan to use with Welsh

[https://antediluvianminiatures.wordpress.com/2018/02/07/shop-historical-range/]

They also have two more packs due for release soon of the Islesmen.
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Offline Iain R

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As was discussed at length last week, little if any noticable difference between a Scots and English footsoldier of the period. The existing Footsore BW sculpts for infantry will do just fine.

See here-

https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=133727.0
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JB,

This seems to be a topic which excites. I'm about to start collecting for this myself and anticipate quite a bit of conversion ahead. If it is of any assistance to you, please find the link to my blog on my Lewes project and my thoughts on the Scots. Of course Lewes is the penultimate Barons War conflict (1264) and you may be looking a bit earlier?

https://battleoflewes.blogspot.com/2021/10/scots-at-lewes.html

If you follow my thoughts on the matter, the key requirements are going to be bare legs - sometimes with shoes and sometimes not. I've started browsing ranges from Elladan, Crusader Miniatures (dark ages, Roman levies and even Libyan skirmishers), Gripping Beast (Norse Gaels, Britons levy, Picts) 1st Corp and Antideluvian miniatures. Filing English or Western medieval infantry back to bare legs is also an option.
If you are into conversions, then Mirliton, First Corps - even Mad Robot and Shapeways provide head and helmet options.

Whatever you decide, all the best with it.

Offline Atheling

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JB,

This seems to be a topic which excites. I'm about to start collecting for this myself and anticipate quite a bit of conversion ahead. If it is of any assistance to you, please find the link to my blog on my Lewes project and my thoughts on the Scots. Of course Lewes is the penultimate Barons War conflict (1264) and you may be looking a bit earlier?

https://battleoflewes.blogspot.com/2021/10/scots-at-lewes.html

If you follow my thoughts on the matter, the key requirements are going to be bare legs - sometimes with shoes and sometimes not. I've started browsing ranges from Elladan, Crusader Miniatures (dark ages, Roman levies and even Libyan skirmishers), Gripping Beast (Norse Gaels, Britons levy, Picts) 1st Corp and Antideluvian miniatures. Filing English or Western medieval infantry back to bare legs is also an option.
If you are into conversions, then Mirliton, First Corps - even Mad Robot and Shapeways provide head and helmet options.

Whatever you decide, all the best with it.

At the risk of being a rivet counter; I've just read your blog  article and a few things spring out.

1/ Why the use of the word Tartan? It did not exist until Victorian times and was an invention. Plaid, which could vary wildly from region to region is more appropriate, right?

2/ Using the word "Sassenachs" is derogatory and insulting. One can certainly say culturally biased and bordering of racism. It is ugly and unnecessary.

It's a shame, as you make some good points  not ones that I agree with bit that is, erm.... not the point!) but the good is drowned out by the ugliness of a derogatory term.
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Oh dear; sasunnoch is Scots Gaelic for foreigner, and is in context with Unlucky General’s blog post it is within period. I’m sure he wasn’t being derogatory against Englishmen.
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Offline David H

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I'm not an expert, but I believe that plaid and tartan both refer to a chequered weave cloth. Both terms are first documented in the 1500's as far as I know, so one can presume that they were in some kind of common usage around that time - possibly not as far back as the 13th/14th century, but who knows.  ;)

The use of the word tartan to link a particular cloth to a clan was much later, 19th century, but a clans Tartan and tartan/plaid cloth should be viewed quite differently depending on context.

Offline Skyven

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Oh dear; sasunnoch is Scots Gaelic for foreigner ...

Sannenach is the Scots Gaelic term for lowlanders, and originally referred to lowland Scots as opposed to the Highland, gaelic-speaking Scots.

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Scottish lowlanders or lowlanders in general? My understanding is that it originally simply meant Saxon.

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Re: 28mm Scots figures for Barons War era suggestions/recommendations please,
« Reply #10 on: 08 November 2021, 06:37:41 PM »
Scottish lowlanders or lowlanders in general? My understanding is that it originally simply meant Saxon.

"Scottish Gaelic Sasunnach, Irish Sasanach, from Late Latin saxonēs Saxons", Collins Dictionary

"Scottish term for an English person. Recorded from the early 18th century, the word comes from Scottish Gaelic Sasunnoch, Irish Sasanach, from Latin Saxones ‘Saxons’.", Oxford dictionary.

Which is my point :)

Offline Johnny Boy

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Re: 28mm Scots figures for Barons War era suggestions/recommendations please,
« Reply #11 on: 09 November 2021, 06:17:22 PM »
Many thanks for the suggestions it's very much appreciated. I don't need many figures for what I have planned so should be able to pick enough to suit from that.

 

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