Vehicle scale best for 28mm figures?

[Wyrmalla]

They might be able to if he's using full size plastic bases rather than washers or coins.

At least in my experience even when using taller "28mm" models (closer to 32mm) on bases, the figures still can't see over a 1/43rd car's bonnet. Which kind of makes using such huge vehicles because they look "right" moot to me.

[Grumpy Gnome]

Well a couple of packages arrived in the mail.

At first the 1/56 Warlord vehicles looked too small. Especially with the driver of the truck being so tiny. And I thought the Atlas AB41 looked “right”.

However I also received some 28mm Warlord metal Italians and putting one of those as well as a 28mm Warlord plastic German next to the vehicles it seems that the Atlas is indeed too big…. While perhaps the Warlord model is a bit too small. It seems the AB41 is smaller in real life than I expected. Sigh.

I also noticed there is no scale listed on the Atlas packaging. Just an interesting not about scale interpretation and licensing.

[Arjuna]

However I also received some 28mm Warlord metal Italians and putting one of those as well as a 28mm Warlord plastic German next to the vehicles it seems that the Atlas is indeed too big….

How do you know that the Warlord miniatures are the specified scale?
What was the average size of an Italian soldier and a German soldier in WWII?
And were they different?

That Italian shooter is standing on a base, the AB41 not and he is wearing a helmet.
Without the base he looks spot on in comparison with the WWII photos.
The figure of the running German (?) looks a tad hefty.
Early War Waffen SS?
With time, they shrank.
 

Yeah, the diecast AB41 is much too big.
Probably a Cadian Guard Light Reconnaissance Tank.
Or even better, Tallarn, the color scheme is about right.
 

[Grumpy Gnome]

I believed I talked about my acceptance in diversity of human height and weight earlier in the thread.

But you make a fair point about just forgetting about accuracy as I will likely do some sort of Weird War 2 anyway and most of my gaming will be solo… so not much chance of my opponent complaining.

[FramFramson]

Hopefully no one will mention aeroplanes. Oh bugger.

No worries, I already had. 

[Arjuna]

I believed I talked about my acceptance in diversity of human height and weight earlier in the thread.

For the most part the problems of scale in related areas of scale modeling like wargame toy gaming isn't about the real variation in human body size with regards to socio-demographics in human history of war.
It is about manufacturers, that want to sell their toys under special industry related restrictions.
 

In fact, body size and health are probably an important factor in war survival rates that toy pushers like us rarely consider.
Because, well, we push toys across a table, not Excel spreadsheets on the socio-demographics of war.
At best, war game rules today contain some odd troop ratings.
Mostly three-tiered, because it's easier to remember.
 

But you make a fair point about just forgetting about accuracy as I will likely do some sort of Weird War 2 anyway and most of my gaming will be solo… so not much chance of my opponent complaining.

That's the spirit!

There is no bad buy, just an opportunity for a new project!
 

That's also why my toys these days are mostly denizens of a strange nurgly swamp of hell garden and slaaneshy red light district, an unholy communion of the Chapman brothers and Alice in Wonderland with a hefty dash of Hieronymus Bosch and Toy Story.
Not to forget about Lovecraft, Michael Hutter, early pulp novels and hundreds of influences more I like to corrupt.

So beware, there is madness on both ends of the spectrum of this hobby.

[Sgt_T]

I made a post on this subject some time ago in my blog, with a few thoughts about It, some tips and a lot of pictures.

I thought I might chip in with a bunch of vehicle comparison pictures:
https://toomuchterrain.blogspot.com/2022/02/ww2-vehicles.html

T.

[Grumpy Gnome]

I thought I might chip in with a bunch of vehicle comparison pictures:
https://toomuchterrain.blogspot.com/2022/02/ww2-vehicles.html

T.

Thanks! That is remarkably helpful and much appreciated.

Is it just my eyes or do some of the 1/43 look ok and others do not?

[Sgt_T]

Is it just my eyes or do some of the 1/43 look ok and others do not?

I put up some more comparison pictures on the same blog page.
It is not your eyes

As you can see, the Solido 1:43 M4A3 Sherman is smaller than the Atlas/Altaya/DeAgostini one:



As mentioned elsewhere in this thread and by Tereydavi on his blog, the actual size of a model in a certain scale often differs between manufacturers and even between bigger and smaller models of the same manufacturer!

Indeed madness.
You really have to put one of your figures next to the vehicle if you want to see whether it looks OK (for you).

Not that different from 28mm figures actually





T

[Ultravanillasmurf]

Coming from the land that brought us OO Gauge (4mm to the foot on 16.5mm track - do the maths), I probably go for what is the best range available.

1/56 is my vehicle scale for WW2 (though very interested in Tin Shed Gamer's comments on scaling), and 1/50 for moderns (1/48 filling in any gaps).

Comparison - VW Beetle: 1/56 scale Company B VW 82E; 1/48 scale Tamiya VW 82E and a nominal 1/43 scaledie cast VW Beetle.


However, soft skins can look tiny - Empress 1/50 versus Warlord 1/56 (same size as the Rubicon and Offensive Miniatures ones).


Though assembled, the Rubicon one is taller:

[Rich H]

Got to be really careful with jeeps as the post-war one looks almost the same but it's significantly wider/longer and that has caught people out in the past.

[tin shed gamer]

Rich is spot on. There's something like a 4'(ish)difference between the two. It's something  often missed in the comparison photos used by some modellers (I've had someones fanboy make this comparison with jeeps I made until I pointed out his picture was of a post '48 model in Korea. )
A good rule of thumb is if your '28mm' figure. Is a head taller than your jeep is wide , and round a head less than two figures long then it's pretty much going to be visually right..For Airborne jeeps .

[Grumpy Gnome]

Another useful resource for some size comparisons, focused on civilian vehicles primarily.

http://majorthomasfoolery.blogspot.com/search/label/Diecast