Thanks for the response all, muchly appreciated. I have all the 24 variants of the Vengequan that I am aware of: with the exception of the riders, could never find those and while not that into the mounts would have liked the riders to mount on something else. As it is now toying with the idea of some post apocalypse vehicles for them. Have like all the Gothrats painted up with the exception of the big guy with the flintlock type pistol as he just didn't fit the aesthetic for me, but I really came to like them a lot after I painted them. Will post some pics of them after the Vengequan are finished. I also bought a couple lots on ebay looking for the Deadtech guys so I have a number of figures, some still in blister packs if anyone is interested. Am happy to have found these in the lead pile though and am having fun painting them, just something about them that always struck me as cool.