Is shine always an issue even with mat varnish

[Kikuchiyo]

Thanks everyone for the advice, will look at this after Christmas

[David H]

Having had issues with both W&N and Daler Rowney recently, I tried AK Interactive Ultra Matte.
Its fantastic!!
It comes as a very thin liquid, designed for air brushing with the addition of thinners, but can be used straight from the bottle with a brush.
2 thin coats and I get the mattest finish I have ever had. No frosting or chalky bits and although it needs a good shake, its nothing like the shake the W&N or DR needs - 15 seconds or so seems to be perfectly adequate.

[Kikuchiyo]

Picked up some w&n, so far so good

[Deedles]

Having had issues with both W&N and Daler Rowney recently, I tried AK Interactive Ultra Matte.
Its fantastic!!
It comes as a very thin liquid, designed for air brushing with the addition of thinners, but can be used straight from the bottle with a brush.
2 thin coats and I get the mattest finish I have ever had. No frosting or chalky bits and although it needs a good shake, its nothing like the shake the W&N or DR needs - 15 seconds or so seems to be perfectly adequate.

Ultra Matte +1 works well

[Kikuchiyo]

I'm sold on W&N, it might go off at some point but so far it's rescued dozens of shiny minis

[Doug ex-em4]

I'm sold on W&N, it might go off at some point but so far it's rescued dozens of shiny minis

I’m glad to hear it Did you go for a brush on or the spray?

Doug

[Kikuchiyo]

I went with the brush

[jamie.grinstead]

You probably have not mixed the varnish sufficiently. The "gloss" part (or mediums with a glossy base) of the matte varnish floats, and you may even be painting only with gloss if you have bought a matte varnish. The problem is always the same, it is not well mixed.

Another option is that the product is simply of very poor quality and is not suitable for painting miniatures. Think that the matte standard is not the same in all sectors. In the craft world, matte has some gloss to it. If you have bought a craft varnish, it may have a gloss.