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Author Topic: Is shine always an issue even with mat varnish  (Read 3258 times)

Offline dadlamassu

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Re: Is shine always an issue even with mat varnish
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2022, 08:07:01 AM »
I use  PlastiKote spray from Hobbycraft, also avaialble on Amazon on all figures.  THe can illustrated below has a very soft spray action that does not send plastic figures flying everywhere.  I also finish off flags, standards, important or display figures with brush on Windsor & Newton matt varnish.

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Offline Kikuchiyo

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Re: Is shine always an issue even with mat varnish
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2022, 10:04:41 AM »
Plus one on the W and N varnish.  Itís reliable when brushed.  It is very similar in smell and consistency to Humbrol Mattcote. 

Something I do differently to most is to gloss varnish first with an acrylic varnish such as Johnsonís Klear.  This seals the figure and gives the matt varnish an even surface to work on.  It also has the advantage that gloss is harder wearing than matt and protects the figure better during handling.  If the figure starts to go shiny in use it can then be matt varnished again before the paint coat is degraded.

If that's your experience di you think my glossy minis could ve rescued with another layer of W&B to rescue them?

Offline 2010sunburst

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Re: Is shine always an issue even with mat varnish
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2022, 11:38:17 AM »
If that's your experience di you think my glossy minis could ve rescued with another layer of W&B to rescue them?
Nothing to lose by trying it.  Just make sure you stir and mix the varnish well before use.  It does settle out a bit.  Use a soft brush, and then clean the brush with white spirit afterwards. 

Offline Kikuchiyo

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Re: Is shine always an issue even with mat varnish
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2022, 03:23:30 PM »
Thanks everyone for the advice, will look at this after Christmas

Offline David H

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Re: Is shine always an issue even with mat varnish
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2022, 01:24:30 PM »
Having had issues with both W&N and Daler Rowney recently, I tried AK Interactive Ultra Matte.
Its fantastic!!
It comes as a very thin liquid, designed for air brushing with the addition of thinners, but can be used straight from the bottle with a brush.
2 thin coats and I get the mattest finish I have ever had. No frosting or chalky bits and although it needs a good shake, its nothing like the shake the W&N or DR needs - 15 seconds or so seems to be perfectly adequate.

Offline Kikuchiyo

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Re: Is shine always an issue even with mat varnish
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2023, 05:26:10 PM »
Picked up some w&n, so far so good

Offline Deedles

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Re: Is shine always an issue even with mat varnish
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2023, 05:18:51 PM »
Having had issues with both W&N and Daler Rowney recently, I tried AK Interactive Ultra Matte.
Its fantastic!!
It comes as a very thin liquid, designed for air brushing with the addition of thinners, but can be used straight from the bottle with a brush.
2 thin coats and I get the mattest finish I have ever had. No frosting or chalky bits and although it needs a good shake, its nothing like the shake the W&N or DR needs - 15 seconds or so seems to be perfectly adequate.

Ultra Matte +1 works well
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Offline Kikuchiyo

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Re: Is shine always an issue even with mat varnish
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2023, 10:39:26 PM »
I'm sold on W&N, it might go off at some point but so far it's rescued dozens of shiny minis


Offline Doug ex-em4

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Re: Is shine always an issue even with mat varnish
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2023, 04:32:17 PM »
I'm sold on W&N, it might go off at some point but so far it's rescued dozens of shiny minis

Iím glad to hear it :) Did you go for a brush on or the spray?

Doug

Offline Kikuchiyo

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Re: Is shine always an issue even with mat varnish
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2023, 08:54:07 PM »
I went with the brush

Offline jamie.grinstead

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Re: Is shine always an issue even with mat varnish
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2024, 05:31:27 PM »
You probably have not mixed the varnish sufficiently. The "gloss" part (or mediums with a glossy base) of the matte varnish floats, and you may even be painting only with gloss if you have bought a matte varnish. The problem is always the same, it is not well mixed.

Another option is that the product is simply of very poor quality and is not suitable for painting miniatures. Think that the matte standard is not the same in all sectors. In the craft world, matte has some gloss to it. If you have bought a craft varnish, it may have a gloss.

 

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