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Offline Tim Haslam

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Middle Imperial Roman Auxiliaries?
« on: 23 December 2023, 07:36:16 PM »
Which, if any, of the plastic offerings currently available, could I get away with using for fighting with or against a Palmyran army, so around 270AD?

28mm, naturally.

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Re: Middle Imperial Roman Auxiliaries?
« Reply #2 on: 24 December 2023, 09:10:03 AM »
Thanks,
I already own the incendiary pigs!

I’m wondering if I could use the Victrix late Roman unarmoured auxiliaries?
Maybe with the heads from the Dacian kit? It’s quite a distinctive  ‘cap’

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Re: Middle Imperial Roman Auxiliaries?
« Reply #3 on: 24 December 2023, 10:19:06 AM »
Tim, I use figures from A&A Miniatures "Middle Imperial" range. Not as good as Aventine but serviceable enough, and currently on a  "buy 4 packs get one free" offer which makes them excellent value for money!

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Re: Middle Imperial Roman Auxiliaries?
« Reply #4 on: 24 December 2023, 10:46:31 AM »
Tim, if it’s regular Roman auxiliaries you’re after, there’s a plastic kit by Wargames Atlantic. It’s mislabelled as “Late Romans” while modelled after Angus McBride’s illustration of a mid 3rd century legionary. By this time differences in equipment between legionaries and (regular) auxiliaries were blurred to non-existent.

Size-wise the models mix with Aventine, A&A and Victrix quite nicely. Here are some of the original WA minis with a few substituted hands and weapons from Victrix’ Late Romans:


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Re: Middle Imperial Roman Auxiliaries?
« Reply #5 on: 24 December 2023, 11:51:38 AM »
Brilliant, thanks.
I’m a big fan of WA.

Primarily I’m trying think what ‘allied’ Romans you would see in a Palmyran force?
For me auxiliary units in this period seem more common with the actual legions being reserved for really important jobs (like guarding the emperor lol)

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Re: Middle Imperial Roman Auxiliaries?
« Reply #6 on: 24 December 2023, 10:05:36 PM »
I think what Mad Doc Morris was saying is that Roman forces had no real differences between them in terms of equipment. The legions still had their eagles and their shields would have had their specific symbols.
This might be useful:
https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/46106/what-was-clothing-in-ancient-palmyra-like

As the Palmyrene army including a lot of local peasants then probably a mix of those WA figures for the main army and perhaps also some WA Persians with head swaps and for the peasants one of the various unarmoured sets done for Late Roman/Dark Ages such as Victrix Dark Age Archers.
Officers would more likely be in classical Roman/Greek attire.

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Re: Middle Imperial Roman Auxiliaries?
« Reply #7 on: 25 December 2023, 08:48:12 PM »
Legio III Cyrenicia was defeated by the Palmyrene's. And the Roman garison of Egypt took thrashing from them too. Legio V Macedonia had detachments in Egypt for long long time but you'd need to do some digging to find out if it was there then.

Prior to rebellion the palmyrenes were guardians of the eastern frontier so allied Roman troops are possible.

The aforementioned WA or A&A are your best figs for this. But Warlord make some nice dromederaii useful for Cohors XX Palmyrenorum which was around until the mid 3rdC.


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Re: Middle Imperial Roman Auxiliaries?
« Reply #8 on: 26 December 2023, 04:47:34 PM »
The unarmoured Victrix late roman infantry and archers packs are perfect for 3rd century. Arguably the helmets are later so if you stick to bareheads or pannonian caps they will look fine. Reference the osprey book of romes army in the east (2 volumes), there’s a nice collection of really different costumes which are perfect for those of us who like kitbashing these plastics with other armies - I’ve even used some Persian figures/parts to give greater variety.

 

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