Seleucid Army of Antiochus III - Battle of Raphia in 28mm - Part 3 (Right Wing)

[Atheling]

This is shaping up to be an extremely interesting (and useful!) blog! The painting is fab  - so is the info 

May I ask, in the unit of Thureophoroi- how many ordinary poses, minus the command, do Polemarch Thureophoroi have? I did email gripping beast and they just said, "what you see in the image".....

[Hippocleides]

Thanks! For the eight figures I got in a pack there were 4 unique poses. Though 2 of those poses are similar with the overhand grip The only difference I could tell was one pose having a cloak and the other just the tunic.
Here's a good shot of them:
https://badgergames.com/shop/gripping-beast-saga/saga/age-of-hannibal/mercenaries/gb-sahm04-thureophoroi-d/

[Pattus Magnus]

That’s beautiful work! A really inspiring set of figures there, I’ll be referring to it when I get back to painting ancients.

[Atheling]

Thanks! For the eight figures I got in a pack there were 4 unique poses. Though 2 of those poses are similar with the overhand grip The only difference I could tell was one pose having a cloak and the other just the tunic.
Here's a good shot of them:
https://badgergames.com/shop/gripping-beast-saga/saga/age-of-hannibal/mercenaries/gb-sahm04-thureophoroi-d/

Many thanks; I know now why they didn't just tell me that!!?? 

[cadbren]

Many thanks; I know now why they didn't just tell me that!!?? 

These days your email may have been read by ai (or a more primitive parsing program) and a stock response generated.

[Panzer21]

Absolutely lovely painting! Stunning!

 "I could not find any clear consensus on the distinction between Cretans and Neo-Cretans or whether they were armed differently. Perhaps the Cretans were actually from Crete and the Neo-Cretans just fought in that style, or vice versa, who knows. I’m curious to hear what everyone’s thoughts are on that matter."

I recall a debate about this many years ago in Slingshot, along with "armed in the Cretan manner" and whether that meant bow armed, or as per the Anabasis armed with a shield as well. The debate was inconclusive but postulated that it meant more than just archers, possibly with the ability to fight hand to hand. This brought in "Neocretans" and debate whether they were different again. It was pointed out "Neo" may just refer to youths or associations outside Crete.

I think Duncan Head summarises the debate in Armies of the Macedonian & Punic wars.

Short answer; no-one knows for sure......

Neil

[Hippocleides]

Absolutely lovely painting! Stunning!

 "I could not find any clear consensus on the distinction between Cretans and Neo-Cretans or whether they were armed differently. Perhaps the Cretans were actually from Crete and the Neo-Cretans just fought in that style, or vice versa, who knows. I’m curious to hear what everyone’s thoughts are on that matter."

I recall a debate about this many years ago in Slingshot, along with "armed in the Cretan manner" and whether that meant bow armed, or as per the Anabasis armed with a shield as well. The debate was inconclusive but postulated that it meant more than just archers, possibly with the ability to fight hand to hand. This brought in "Neocretans" and debate whether they were different again. It was pointed out "Neo" may just refer to youths or associations outside Crete.

I think Duncan Head summarises the debate in Armies of the Macedonian & Punic wars.

Short answer; no-one knows for sure......

Neil

Interesting, thanks for the info.

[Easy E]

I was also wondering what  Neo-Cretan was.  Thanks for the info, but I would go with "armed in the Cretan style" for my army design. 

This all looks great.... amazing even, but I think you might need a few more elephants?  What a shame!

[rct75001]

This is beautiful work and a great to see miniatures from the various manufacturers.
Richard

[Basementboy]

I'll second the calls for a full army showcase! Really impressive stuff, both the scale of the project AND the great paintjobs

[Atheling]

I'll second the calls for a full army showcase! Really impressive stuff, both the scale of the project AND the great paintjobs

Thirded! and the Secret rule of LAF (which I may or may not be making up) is, once Thirded, you have to show all (OK, not all. but all the newly painted toys!) 

[nikko]

I'm really impressed by your painting style, which I like.
this Antiochus III's army is superb!!

[Hippocleides]

Thanks everyone.

I'll have to a find a new battle mat and some terrain to do a full army pic/video justice, if anyone has any recommendations for an arid looking mat let me know! I've only a few small dba mats, and they don't really look right pieced together

[Panzer21]

Thanks everyone.

I'll have to a find a new battle mat and some terrain to do a full army pic/video justice, if anyone has any recommendations for an arid looking mat let me know! I've only a few small dba mats, and they don't really look right pieced together

As you are looking at TTS a nice mat with dots is by Geek Villian; it goes out of stock quite regularly!

https://geekvillain.co.uk/collections/fleece-battlemats-6ft-x-4ft/products/wargaming-battle-mat-6x4-sicily-strength-honor

Otherwise Simon Millar's Iberian mat:

https://bigredbatshop.co.uk/collections/all/products/iberian-plains-design-battle-mat-6-x-4-15cm-grid

Neil

[sgzleada71]

Superbly painted and based figures.  Very inspiring work.