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Re: New Artizan Landskencht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2010, 07:28:45 PM »
I just want some cav for this period. Other than Foundry crazy expensive Gendarmes and Old Glory's terrible sculpts, nobody does cavalry for this period. I don't need any more Landskenchts (even though I preordered these) what I need is everybody else. I glad to see TAG's Italians and Neopolitans. Now, give me some horsies.
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Re: New Artizan Landskencht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2010, 07:33:14 PM »
One of the better discussions on the net: LINK.
As said above, it's anything but clear how greatswords were actually used. For example, I wouldn't suggest that you couldn't break a wooden shaft, that you couldn't wield it as every other sword etc. But one has to ask, if it was practical. Wielding an oversized blade is a dangerous affair - both for enemy and friend among dense formations; and the swordsman himself can only hope that he's fast enough to get behind the full length of dozens of nasty pikes pointing at him. Sounds like a job for madmen not a tactical issue for well-paid specialists.

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Re: New Artizan Landskencht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2010, 09:40:37 PM »
I thought we were having one of the better discussions on the web lol

I was intrigued with your link and have enjoyed reading it all the way through.
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it's anything but clear how greatswords were actually used.
I reckon you are spot on with that...so you pays your money and chooses your mercenary...

In taking a longer view it seems that the increasing size of the sword was an attempt to overcome the increasing effectiveness of armour, it seems to have found an extension of purpose in the Swiss - Landsknecht conflicts but although these wars were to continue the big swords fell from use, being replaced by a greater emphasis on pikes first amongst the Swiss soon to be followed by the Landsknechts, being relegated to body guards and increasingly ceremonial uses.
Most likely because they weren't particularly effective (maybe as pikes learned to keep their nerve in the face of the onslaught)...
It may well be that the level of training required meant that the relative ease of training to fire an arquebus (for the same pay) spelt its doom, much like the longbow?

My guess is the increasing availability and power of handguns to damage and disrupt pikes spelt the deathknell of the two handed sword which had reached the end of its evolution.

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Re: New Artizan Landskencht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2010, 09:47:26 PM »
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Now, give me some horsies.

I presume you mean the lighter variety Herr Baron?

Have a look at the TAG russian boyars, those in quilted coats are very similar to Stradiots and the ones in mail are only a hop skip and jump from genitors....add the appropriate shields and maybe change the stradiot headgear to tall felt hats?



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Re: New Artizan Landskencht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2010, 12:56:25 AM »
I believe actual TAG stradiots are on the horizon. The TAG website exhibited the dolls a couple of weeks ago.

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Re: New Artizan Landskencht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2010, 08:06:04 AM »

What we need of course is someone with an actual weapon to test this out :o
Any takers? ???

CG

I believe Grimm is a Landsknecht reenactor. However, the re-enactment swords I have seen look rather flimsy.

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Re: New Artizan Landskencht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2010, 08:26:21 AM »
I just want some cav for this period. Other than Foundry crazy expensive Gendarmes and Old Glory's terrible sculpts, nobody does cavalry for this period. I don't need any more Landskenchts (even though I preordered these) what I need is everybody else. I glad to see TAG's Italians and Neopolitans. Now, give me some horsies.
-J
Tag have some cavalry on their workbench very nice too

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Re: New Artizan Landskencht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2010, 01:30:26 PM »
Forgive my impatience. I have a huge Italian Wars army painted and sitting boxes waiting over five years to see the tabletop. "On the workbench" doesn't cut it. I want my horsies now!
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Re: New Artizan Landskencht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2010, 03:17:19 PM »
Forgive my impatience. I have a huge Italian Wars army painted and sitting boxes waiting over five years to see the tabletop. "On the workbench" doesn't cut it. I want my horsies now!
-J

TAG are pretty quick with thier releases so I would think by end of next month

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Re: New Artizan Landsknecht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2010, 04:59:56 PM »
Don't know, if they are exactly what you're looking for, but Eureka do some nice Italian Wars Gendarms:

EDIT: Pictures don't work... so here are the links:

http://eurekamin.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=10727
http://eurekamin.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=10728
« Last Edit: March 26, 2010, 05:13:05 PM by Maichus »

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Re: New Artizan Landskencht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2010, 10:15:08 AM »


What we need of course is someone with an actual weapon to test this out :o
Any takers? ???

CG

Well, actually I do have a sword - but only for exhibition bouts. I can easily go thoguh paper, styrofoam, cardboard, but I think it is impossible to go through a block of wood. Maybe I'll test it later that day  :)

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Re: New Artizan Landsknecht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2010, 11:41:27 AM »
I get the feeling these are MEANT to be used as GW Greatswords.

Would be a smart way to market them...

Rob

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Re: New Artizan Landsknecht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2010, 01:35:08 PM »
I get the feeling these are MEANT to be used as GW Greatswords.

Ah Rob, only if you were brought up in a GW-centred universe  ;)

Mike Owen has sculpted lots of other Renaissance era figures down the years, and always promised he would come back to the period with Artizan. It may have crossed his mind that these are usable in Warhammer armies - but I'm certain that was not his objective in producing this range. I find it weird that when a designer like Mike sculpts superb historical figures like these, some people (not getting at you Rob, because I've seen several comments along the same lines) 'ah, look, he's trying to make stuff that looks like Warhammer'.

The reality of course is totally the other way round  >:(

GW's 'Empire' is styled on a kind of fairytale Renaissance Europe, and borrows heavily from C16th fashion - particularly from the flamboyant landsknechts. It's not really surprising then, that when someone produces a range of historical landsknechts, there's a resemblance.

How mortally depressing that some people think GW's schlocky 'Empire' is the real deal, and appear to know nothing of actual, real, colourful, historical subjects like the landsknechts.  :(

Reminds me why, deep down, I hate GW so much. Purveyors of puerlie puff. Deniers of history. Destroyers of knowledge.

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Re: New Artizan Landsknecht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2010, 01:44:38 PM »
How mortally depressing that some people think GW's schlocky 'Empire' is the real deal, and appear to know nothing of actual, real, colourful, historical subjects like the landsknechts.  :(

Reminds me why, deep down, I hate GW so much. Purveyors of puerlie puff. Deniers of history. Destroyers of knowledge.

Lighten up.  ;)

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Re: New Artizan Landsknecht Doppelsoldier packs
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2010, 02:20:44 PM »
Lighten up.  ;)

For Captain Blood on a sunny Sunday afternoon that's quite light enough :~}

Cracking looking figures whatever anyone chooses to use them for.
Looking forward to some reiters appearing.

Be nice to see some millers for the French Wars of Religion too.
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