*
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
April 28, 2024, 02:05:33 PM

Login with username, password and session length

Donate

We Appreciate Your Support

Recent

Author Topic: FINISHED PROJECT - “B” Battalion of the Tank Corps, 1917  (Read 24484 times)

Offline Sidney Roundwood

  • Assistant
  • Posts: 46
    • Roundwood's World
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2010, 12:16:13 PM »
With apologies Ladies and Gentlemen for the continuing slow progress of this .... err....”September Project”, I’ve added some photos below of constructing the Mark IV tanks.  What took me so long, I hear you ask.  Well, I suppose I can claim to have been busy in my non-hobby life.  Sure, but that’s only been part of the reason.  The other major difficulty I had was in keeping myself motivated to build four of the tanks.  One was fun, two fine, but the third and fourth were a really painful exercise.  So, mea culpa, and I’ve learnt a salutary lesson when it comes to building sections of tanks in 28mm – go for the smaller section of three tanks not fouro_o

That being said, here’s the snaps from the Roundwood Workbench.



Ok, first stage, give the resin a good clean.  I figured that as the Great War Miniatures tanks have smelt very resin-y since arriving at Roundwood Towers, they were probably coated with some invisible release agent.  Thinking I’d best take no chances, I did the metalled parts as well.  Oh, and don’t forget to wash the sponsons...



As they arrived, fresh out of Northstar Nick’s parcel, I thought the Great War Miniatures Mark IVs were a nice kit.  Certainly the surface detail was very finely sculpted, with numerous rivets, pistol loopholes and access hatches.  There were some pretty pronounced mould lines on the models, however, especially at the rear of the tank.  The same mould line appeared on each of the rear tank tread, but is pretty easily removed with a scalpel.  I’m sure I can strategically place some mud on the part of the track which was affected, anyway.  There was one tank with a mould line across the rear .. ‘fender’ (?).... of the tank, so some green stuff smoothed that down.



I had a little less fun with the large roll-bars which were such a prominent feature of the Mark IV.  These were fitted to allow a “ditching beam” (basically a reinforced iron railway sleeper) to be chained around the tank tracks and rolled over the top of the tank if, or more likely when, the tank “ditched” in the mud of the battlefield.  The iron roll-bars seemed to be present in almost all of the photos of Mark IVs I’ve seen, and are a nice feature to add.  However, the Great War Kit’s roll-bars are a bit fiddly to fit, to say the least.  I ended up gently bending them and cutting down the locating lugs. 



The reason for this is that models in my games are used at my local club as well as at home.  I therefore wanted to make sure that the roll-bars were are as securely fixed as possible to the tank.  To do this I glued the front roll-bar to the cabin of the tank, rather than (as would have been more historically accurate) leaving the bar elevated slightly above the cabin.  OK, so I’m not a purist, and I admit the models are not strictly accurate.  It’s a compromise, but if it means I never need to repair a broken roll-bar, I’m happy.

The roll-bars also needed a fair bit of filing before fitting. I wanted a smooth cast steel look for the top of the roll bars but the casting of the roll-bars wasn’t perfect.  As you can see, filing the bars was a pretty tedious task when you have 16 to do (4 for each chance).  Time for some music or a podcast, I think ...



Hopefully you can see in this picture the filed smooth right roll-bar being fitted to the top of the tank’s cabin.  Without removing the front locating lugs the bar would have been elevated above the cabin’s roof.  Hopefully, with the roll-bar being glued to the cabin roof instead, it will be more robust on the gaming table.  Fingers crossed...



Now for a more pleasant task, the sponsons.  These fitted well on the Male Mark IVs, but there’s quite a bit of trimming to do on the female Mark IVs as without this the entrance/escape doors under the Female sponsons won’t fit flush with the side of the model. 



One this is done, however, the sponsons look very impressive, and are nicely cast on both Male and Female models. The 6-pdrs guns on the Male tanks fitted fine.  My main decision here was whether to go with the Hotchkiss machine guns which Great War Miniatures supply all the Mark IV models with. My reading of the Mark IVs in action in 1917 at Passchendaele and Cambrai was that they were still equipped with the Lewis gun with an ammunition drum.  Ian Verrinder in his excellent “Tank Action in the Great War” mentions that at Fontaine on 22 November 1917 the Lewis guns performed particularly badly, with many Lewis Guns being rendered unworkable in the action, not least through the guns being vulnerable to armour-piercing bullets and splinters (page 156-157). 

After reading this, I was keen to give my clubmates who are aspiring Great War ‘tankies’ some realistic problems with “B” Battalion’s Lewis guns.  I wanted to swop the supplied Hotchkiss for some Lewis guns to fit into tank sponsons.  No-one yet makes these, but from most of the photos of Mark IVs from Ypres and Cambrai all that really can be seen is the Lewis gun’s metal tubing.  I therefore used some brass rod cut to the same length and drilled out the sponson holes accordingly.  Not a perfect solution, I admit, but I liked the slightly different look it gave.





The long partly asbestos-covered exhaust was easy to fit without much work.  I added a slightly greater bend to a couple of the exhausts supplied.  Apart form that, perfect.



Then to fitting the roll-bars.  You don’t want to do this too early, as once they’re fitted the model becomes a lot more delicate. It was a juggling act trying to glue these chaps in place and took a number of goes to get the first one right.  The others were quicker, but by the end of the fourth, I was thoroughly hacked off with the project !!    >:(  The problem was in getting the bars to hold in place while the glue set.  I mainly use araldite because an epoxy, at least in my eyes, is less brittle than super glue, especially when you’re using the models a lot in gaming.  But in situations like this, super glue, in retrospect (and especially with an accelerant), would have been better.  In the end, even after the roll-bars were glued I added some thin solution super-glue (the sort you use for naval rigging) to the more exposed joins for greater strength.



At least once you’ve got the roll-bars in place, you’re almost there.  Next step was the ditching beam.  Great War Miniatures’ early castings of Mark IVs didn’t seem to have these, which is a real shame as the ones now supplied are very nice indeed.  They are well cast and a fine chunk piece of metal which adds a lot to the finished model.  I glued them in place on the roll-bars, holding them in place with blu-tac as they dried. 



I was in a bit of a quandary about how these beams were actually attached in action.  I searched the books I had looking for photos without success, and looked on the Landships website for more information without finding anything.  There were several accounts, particularly at Passchendaele, of the ditching beam being shot away by enemy shelling, so I did wonder whether they were lashed on with ropes.  However, as the ditching beams were clearly chained on when the “unditching” process was happening (the Osprey Mark IV has a great illustration of this), I settled for the fact that the ditching beams were probably chained on.  I got some 14 link-per-25mm chains from 4D Models and glued these in place near to where the roll-bars joined.  I made sure that the chain ends were equal lengths to ensure that it looked as if the beam was double chained to the roll-bars.  If anyone has any information as to how the ditching beams were actually secured, I’d be very interested, although please note I am not changing the models now !  :)







All that was left was a quick spray with Halford’s car primer and they’re ready for painting and weathering.   I carved an offcut of Styrofoam the size to fit into the underside of the model to hold each tank as it’s painted. 



Finally, to provide a bit of inspiration, I put the tanks on the gaming table, trundling through a shell-pocked wood to try and get me motivated to finish!  Wish me luck!



How did I rate the Great War Miniatures mark IV as a model to build?  Probably about 7 out of 10 for the Female and 8 out of 10 for the Male (owing to the Female's entrance/escape doors not fitting well).  It's a very nicely cast kit, but the roll-bars are a real pain to fit.  Probably add an extra "1" if you're just doing one model instead of four!


Offline Hammers

  • Amateur papiermachiéer
  • Moderator
  • Elder God
  • *
  • Posts: 16093
  • Workbench and Pulp Moderator
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2010, 01:13:47 PM »
A right awesome set of clanks. Nice little picture tutorial on priming resin to. Thanks!

Offline Plynkes

  • The Royal Bastard
  • Elder God
  • Posts: 10226
  • I killed Mufasa!
    • http://misterplynkes.blogspot.com/
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2010, 01:39:54 PM »
Love the chains. I toyed with the idea of doing something like that with mine, but it turns out I'm just too lazy. There is a photo in the Osprey which seems to show a couple of much smaller chains around the middle of the beam holding it fast, rather than using the big ones designed for fixing it to the tracks during unditching operations. Those ones don't appear to be attached to anything other than the beam itself in the photo, but it is hard to be sure.

My unditching beams are held on by... uh ...magic!  lol


One thing: I hope it's not too late to change it, but you've got an upside down sponson there, mate:


The slits go at the top (head height, they are for looking out of), and the loopholes at the bottom (they are for releasing pigeons or shooting out of with your revolver). Looks like it may be just that one, the other female sponsons shown have them positioned correctly.

Sorry for being Mr. Picky there, it's just your stuff is so great it would be a real shame to have a little foul-up like that on it. Can't wait to see them painted.  :)
With Cat-Like Tread
Upon our prey we steal...

Offline Andym

  • Supporting Adventurer
  • Galactic Brain
  • *
  • Posts: 6562
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2010, 01:40:55 PM »
Nice unit. Great tutorial!

I may be being stupid, but whats a ditching beam?

Offline Plynkes

  • The Royal Bastard
  • Elder God
  • Posts: 10226
  • I killed Mufasa!
    • http://misterplynkes.blogspot.com/
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2010, 01:49:16 PM »
An unditching beam is a big plank of wood that is attached to the tracks when the tank gets stuck in the mud and/or uneven ground and you need to get it moving again. It is dragged under the tank and hopefully helps it get "unditched."



When not in use it was carried on top of the tank.

Offline Sidney Roundwood

  • Assistant
  • Posts: 46
    • Roundwood's World
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2010, 01:59:39 PM »
Plynkes,

You're a star!!!  :)  Certainly not too late as they're only primed.  No idea how that happened, and you;re right - it is indeed upside down.  Grrrr...   >:(  ..as I said, next time, three tanks, NOT four.  Speaking of pigeons, one of the Females has a pigeon being launched from one of the rear loopholes.  I don't it's in one of the photos here at present, but you'll see it in the final painted version.

Sidney

Offline Hammers

  • Amateur papiermachiéer
  • Moderator
  • Elder God
  • *
  • Posts: 16093
  • Workbench and Pulp Moderator
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2010, 02:01:53 PM »
Plynkes,

You're a star!!!  :)  Certainly not too late as they're only primed.  No idea how that happened, and you;re right - it is indeed upside down.  Grrrr...   >:(  ..as I said, next time, three tanks, NOT four.  Speaking of pigeons, one of the Females has a pigeon being launched from one of the rear loopholes.  I don't it's in one of the photos here at present, but you'll see it in the final painted version.

Sidney

Seems like a not uncommon mistake. The same has been pointed out before o other examples.

Offline Plynkes

  • The Royal Bastard
  • Elder God
  • Posts: 10226
  • I killed Mufasa!
    • http://misterplynkes.blogspot.com/
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2010, 02:07:23 PM »
Unlike the male sponsons, the female sponsons look hardly any different if you mess them up. It's only the viewing slits and loopholes that give it away, and it is very easily done.

The male ones just look plain wrong if you stuff up. You have to have them upside down and on the wrong hand to make a mess of them (either that or have the 6pdr facing aft), which is quite a feat. But I have seen it done.  lol

Offline gamer Mac

  • Galactic Brain
  • Posts: 8213
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2010, 06:13:47 PM »
I am sure we seen it done before by someone called "Plynkes" lol
He didn't just spot such a small detail because he is a button couter but because he done the same thing himself ;D

Offline Remington

  • Mastermind
  • Posts: 1658
  • Who? Where? Say what now?
    • The Doc's Diary
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2010, 06:24:25 PM »
Glad to see this going ahead! :) And thank you for that mini review/ build tutorial.

Offline Lupus

  • Mad Scientist
  • Posts: 655
    • http://z11.invisionfree.com/Kashindan/index.php?act=idx
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2010, 09:50:55 AM »
Really amazing stuff this and great tutorials always scared to do big vehicles as i worry that the weathering will either look rubbish or too much..

Become who you really are... [/i]

Offline aircav

  • Supporting Adventurer
  • Scatterbrained Genius
  • *
  • Posts: 3658
    • the aircav saga
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2010, 09:57:16 AM »
Superb stuff. I did the same with the sponsons  :( but realised too late to change them.

Lewis guns are available from Company B as can be seen below


Offline moif

  • Scientist
  • Posts: 257
    • JRC-1138
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2010, 11:51:10 AM »
Interesting thread. I've often wondered what the big wooden plank was for.
Expert in ancient artefacts, occult civilisations and phoney baloney technobabble!

Offline gamer Mac

  • Galactic Brain
  • Posts: 8213
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2010, 07:10:50 PM »
Sorry Plynkes I thought it was you with the sponson mistake
 :?

Offline Plynkes

  • The Royal Bastard
  • Elder God
  • Posts: 10226
  • I killed Mufasa!
    • http://misterplynkes.blogspot.com/
Re: “B” Battalion of the Royal Tank Corps
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2010, 07:37:12 PM »
I was sort of involved. Aircav had realised his mistake himself and turned his thread into a "Spot the mistake" game. I exposed my nerdiness to all of LAF by spotting it.  :)


I can't quite recall, but I think that I did actually make that error when building my female, but noticed it before the glue was dry and never mentioned it to anyone.

 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
42 Replies
22545 Views
Last post November 25, 2010, 09:53:52 PM
by elysium64
8 Replies
9174 Views
Last post April 04, 2013, 10:39:04 AM
by Hammers
56 Replies
21266 Views
Last post June 13, 2011, 10:21:43 PM
by BigMecha
46 Replies
10428 Views
Last post April 15, 2016, 12:44:05 PM
by Rich H
5 Replies
675 Views
Last post January 16, 2024, 10:20:32 PM
by Jemima Fawr