How would you do Weird War II Spaniards?

[Capt. E.W. Brimmage]

In Secrets of the Third Reich Spain has sided with the Axis forces. How would you do the forces of Spain? What creatures, if any, should they have, and what level of equipment?

Actual late war German models might be good to represent the Spanish, but what weaponry should they have? Maybe just the SoTR German guns, but then they would look just like unarmoured Germans. Is there really a choice though? Also what vehicles do you think they would use? Would there be much domestic production of Mechs or would the Spanish stick with conventional tracked and wheeled vehicles?

With a possible strong Catholic resurgence Spain might be at odds with Germany's occult experiments.

In terms of SoTR rules I thought that the British Platoon with it's more expensive body armour and Battle Chaplains in the Incursion expansion would be good for representing Spanish forces.

[Jakar Nilson]

This might not be all that helpful, but I do like the Anglian Miniatures Nationalists for that kind of scenario, be they Carlists or Falangists (I know that someone else owns the line now, but I designed the Anglian Miniatures logo, so they'll always be Anglian Miniatures to me! )

And there's Pan's Labyrinth for some Weird War inspiration, even if the Nationalists didn't actually have anything weirder than a deranged officer in it.

[commissarmoody]

empress miniatures owns the Anglian line now, And I would actually do both. I would base the Spanish fighting the allies roughly of the Azer Division that fought in russia for the germans. I don't reimber ever thing about them, but i know they were supplied with german kit, and i think used a spanish flag shield device as an insignia on there side of there helmets and often would were red berets  for the carlist and supposedly they cut a more (dashing)  appranics then the average german unit. I am most likely wrong on all of that .
They also supposedly wore khaki trousers adopted form the spanish foreign legion and blue shirts for the Falangists when off duty in spain. But on the front they would wear the heer uniforms. I say do a mix and match most in german kit (fildgray) tops and toss in a blue undershirt shirt or and or khaki trousers  and your good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Division

I would use the german mins to represent them with german helmet and maybe mix in a few of the british commando/para gas masked beret heads panted blue.
So I agree with the using British stats for them should work with a little bit of work. (I have to pull my book out and check the rules out agin )

I also say use the anglian miniatures for 2nd line and anti partisan war that was actually still going on in real life in spain at that time.

[Capt. E.W. Brimmage]

I was thinking with the purchase of German tanks in the mid forties that the Spanish government may have requested military and civil engineering advisors as well (if it didn't already). With foreign expertise to get the ball rolling a Spanish light Mech could be produced for use in the mountains or other difficult terrain to help root out partisans. This could lead to a light mech for airborne use, and then a 2nd generation multi role light mech could be reaching the front by the time 1949 rolls around. Maybe a medium mech too by that stage?

I also thought that the Spanish would have their own domestically produced armour, possibly a somewhat re-engineered Panther as well as acquiring German tanks being phased out such as the Tigers if the E-series makes it into production. I'd probably stay away from Tiger IIs though without more advanced armour on the German side.

It's a pity there isn't more advanced conventional armour at this stage in SoTR, nearly all possibilities are accounted for in the rules except for that one.

I was thinking that the Bolt Action plastic Germans would be good for representing the Spanish uniform in use at that stage, the Empress/Anglian miniatures are very nice, but a bit too 1930s with leg wrappings and MC Hammer pants. I'd have to figure out what to do about guns though.

[commissarmoody]

I had forgot about the bolt action plastic germans

[Hat Guy]

The Battle Chaplains are Monster Hunters and make squad fire better against the undead and supernatural.

For Pan's Labyrinth Fae, Eureka does some look-alikes (http://www.victorialamb.com/store.html).

Sadly, the above-mentioned film is the sole source of my knowledge about Spain in this period, but the SOTR background Spain is almost as big a power as Germany, and with pretty much everyone building Mechs by 1949, putting one in your army wouldn't go astray.

[Capt. E.W. Brimmage]

I've loaned my rulebook out, what does 'Ye Olde and Blood Soaked Lande' do?

[area23]

Anglian/Empress do SCW headsets. Falangists or Carlist heads etc on late war german uniform might work out well.

Also remember that one of the reasons of the German intervention during the civil war was to recover ancient artifacts from the vaults of the Spanish Inquisition.

[Hat Guy]

Olde and Blood Soaked Lande enables British units to re-roll failed morale checks against Supernatural Horror. the Brit's strength is that they are almost impossible to break.

[commissarmoody]

Olde and Blood Soaked Lande enables British units to re-roll failed morale checks against Supernatural Horror. the Brit's strength is that they are almost impossible to break.

Yeah that might be a hard sale for the Spanish, not saying there not tough, there there relatively new belligerents in this conflict and might have a little more fighting zeal then say the fatalism of the brits and other forces.

[Capt. E.W. Brimmage]

Cheers on the headset heads-up.

Might have to do a bit more of a re-write than I was expecting to do. With few supernatural things on the Allied side the Chaplain special rule will need a re-write as well as the Brish special rule, I can see them as being as hard-bitten as the Poms.

[Hat Guy]

Maybe consider Americans?

The Yanks have numbers, 12 in the basic squad, and have some of the worst basic equipment in the game, but can make up for it with a smattering of SMGs and BARs. With the Buck Holt character, their Cool goes through the roof, but lacks the re-rolls that the Brits get.
Make Buck or a special unit Fae, and you're set.

[Capt. E.W. Brimmage]

Americans do sound like a good idea. Looks like this is going to be a full rewrite! I might start later today.

Are there any resources on Spanish weaponry? I haven't found anything myself.

I wasn't too keen on having Pan's Labyrinth creatures, but I suppose if there is demand I'd better put them in the list. I'm thinking either a Warhammer style swarm of small creatures grouped on a larger base or a creature unit, and also a single more powerful creature.

As an aside, I don't know what was going on with all my hyphens up there. Anyone play Games Workshop's Inquisitor? Remember the online article about Cherubim? That bloke needed an editor.

[Capt. E.W. Brimmage]

I've also thought that maybe the Pan's Labyrinth would be better off alongside Spanish partisans.

[commissarmoody]

I've also thought that maybe the Pan's Labyrinth would be better off alongside Spanish partisans.

I agree considering the government is vary pro catholic