Defiance Games USMC Marines!

[aliensurfer]

Please do not ever lead me to an image of man boobs aka moobs again. That milkshake will not bring my boys to the yard man. I am not even going to ask why there are moobs on frothers. I know the answer already , because its frothers you silly c&^$ 

   guess someone found the wrong page - oops

[Col.Stone]

Most of them have fingers though.
It's not the paint that's the problem, the complete lack of any detail is the problem, and these are the rapid prototypes which will have more detail than the final cast plastic. Not a good sign.

I'm curious tho, isn't that just the case if the use the rapid prototype to make the moulds?
I thought they used the render for that and the rapid protottype is just that, a prototype to see if the bits go together?

[tnjrp]

No news on the DG Marines as of yet (since March 5, that is). Ah well, maybe I'll check again on Monday...

[CptJake]

I hope Defiance has gotten the message over the last week or so about putting out 'news' that they are not 100% positive is accurate.   I also think they got the message on letting their self proclaimed PR guy throw gasoline on the fire. 

By the way, I read through that Frothers thread.  I almost spit coffee out of my nose several times while reading.   I must admit, I even found the moobs funny if disturbing.   

[aliensurfer]

you cant talk about it Alien its too horrible for LAF 

yup, sorry 

the flipper handed marine is pretty damn horrible too, to get back on topic.

[Verderer]

Well, I told you so didn't I?

[DoctorPete]

Maybe future Marines don't have fingers?  Or maybe just a trigger finger?

[Michka]

I know I'm treading on dangerous ground here, but I don't think the prototype looks all that bad. I remember getting some Starship Troopers figures with less details on the hands and they painted up just fine. In fact the second photo on display looks pretty darn nice.

[Dewbakuk]

In fact the second photo on display looks pretty darn nice.

That's kind of the point though, that is their 'press release' figure and while you expect a company to show off the figure with a good paint job, that paint job is rather misleading in that it has plenty of detail painted onto the figure. The hands are the easy example as on the second picture they look well defined and sculpted, on the first picture however it's easy to see that they are almost featureless mittens.

[Commander Vyper]

I know I'm treading on dangerous ground here, but I don't think the prototype looks all that bad. I remember getting some Starship Troopers figures with less details on the hands and they painted up just fine. In fact the second photo on display looks pretty darn nice.

Oh come on, lets be clear here, using the arguement that another company (whose range went down the pan) did poorly detailed minis; so these will be ok with paint is a little on the weak side.

No meaning to jump on you here but but there's no way anyone should contemplate handing money over on these poorly executed miniatures.

If you want cheap and very well detailed marines, go for the old Em-4 marines, at £1.28 each and in metal I think they'll even work out cheaper than these lumps of post rendered garbage and at 15+ years old still stand up against current sculpts.

I'm more annoyed that they are pissing away some lovely concept material which, will end up just as poorly executed as the marines. (If produced at all). Someone at Defiance please listen, get decent sculptors on board, stap fannying about with tech that you obviously don't understand, look to your competitors who are doing it better than you (mantic for example have physical product in respect to their corporation minis and have shifted it, no bullshit, no vapour minis, no lies, just product and fact).

Use the concept art that is your gift to produce some excellent miniatures.

Rant off.

[supervike]

If you want cheap and very well detailed marines, go for the old Em-4 marines, at £1.28 each and in metal I think they'll even work out cheaper than these lumps of post rendered garbage and at 15+ years old still stand up against current sculpts.

I'll go a step further...Those Em-4 miniatures are superior to most current sculpts, at least for that subject matter.

Plus the poses are better, have more variety, and mine came pre-primed!!

[Michka]

Oh come on, lets be clear here, using the arguement that another company (whose range went down the pan) did poorly detailed minis; so these will be ok with paint is a little on the weak side.

No meaning to jump on you here but but there's no way anyone should contemplate handing money over on these poorly executed miniatures.

If you want cheap and very well detailed marines, go for the old Em-4 marines, at £1.28 each and in metal I think they'll even work out cheaper than these lumps of post rendered garbage and at 15+ years old still stand up against current sculpts.

I just spent ten minutes trying to come up with a reply that didn't sound "flame-y". I'm not saying these are great. What I'm saying is they have their place in the market, or they will if they ever come out.

And I liked the Starship Troopers miniatures. I bought many, many of them. My biggest complaint is that they came out with way too many all at once. The game did nothing for me but the background and the minis were great. I even liked the RPG, and it was a d20 system for crying out load. 

[Verderer]

Isn't Mongoose JD miniature game still around? In theory they might still pull it off, but knowing them, they probably won't?

[joe5mc]

Is it really fair to complain about a compnay trying to make their figure look better through a good paint job? All companies do this, and great paint jobs often add detail that isn't actually on the miniature.  Personally, I think the (non-existant) minis look okay.  I've seen worse. I've seen better.

I've got a bunch of the Wargames Factory Orcs. Many people would say that they aren't the best sculpts, but they happen to perfectly fit my perception of what an Orc should look like, thus I'm extremely happy with them. Some people might feel the same way about these Defiance marines, and a LAF, with its reputation for mutual respect and comraderie, should respect that.

On the other hand, a company that consistently fails to deliver on its promises, that's worth harping about.

[Verderer]

Miniatures are meant to be painted, and painting is meant to make minis look better, no doubt. Covering up the lack of detail, or painting details that don't exist is a difficult art, but the point is exactly that, the missing details.

Anyhow, I liked the look of the Wargames Factory orcs too. The concept was as if taken straight from Angus McBride's MERP module cover pictures. However, I was sorely disappointed by the awkward poses, open hands (bad, bad) and soft details. So I didn't buy any after all. Pity they couldn't execute them any better. Properly done they'd been the perfect alternative for 'realistic' orcs aka not-warhammery, I think. As opposed to the ones Mantic makes, for example.