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[Atheling]

Brilliant!!! Thanks Matey 

No probs, I thought that might bring a smile to your face

Darrell.

[Paul]

Limitations imposed by wearing armour on Medieval soldiers' locomotor performance

I´d have thought it was obvious..or?
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2011/07/15/rspb.2011.0816

The French may have had a better chance at the Battle of Agincourt had they not been weighed down by heavy body armour, say researchers

? and the lacking protection but ignoring the holes made in them  by  arrows would have made things a lot better?
Following the "weighed down reduces the Chance of a win" then...a swarm of armed but naked French would have won with ease? I suppose they could have covered the ground a bit more quickly...but then had a mild disadvantage against the english who were wearing armour.
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/news/article/2259/heavy_metal_hardens_battle

[Atheling]

I´d have thought it was obvious..or?
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2011/07/15/rspb.2011.0816

? and the lacking protection but ignoring the holes made in them  by  arrows would have made things a lot better?
Following the "weighed down reduces the Chance of a win" then...a swarm of armed but naked French would have won with ease? I suppose they could have covered the ground a bit more quickly...but then had a mild disadvantage against the english who were wearing armour.
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/news/article/2259/heavy_metal_hardens_battle

Paul makes two very good points

Darrell.

[janner]

Modern commanders have to make similar decisions as to degree of risk, especially in climates that's accentuate the degradation caused by wearing protective gear.

[Paul]

It´d be interesting to see if it would actually make a difference if the French had ditched the heavy but more or less protective armour.
Lightly (lighter) armoured French, even if they had chucked the entire force in at once, moving at a rate of ?? 100meters every 15 seconds (how fast can an average Person/knight/man-at-arms run?)  without adding in the uneven Terrain, the packing together, tripping over each other) being hit by a volley of 1000´s of arrows every few seconds, or a constant hail of arrows,  the density of the crowd virtually a guarantee of some sort of hit..in the first 100 meters theyéd have been hit by? 10 -15, 000 arrows? 20 - 30,000 after 200 meters? Ouch!!

Thinking about it..how Long did it take them to cross the field anyway? Must have been hellish! 

I suppose they could have had the majority kitted out with shields but how effective is a shield at stopping an arrow?

[Atheling]

Thinking about it..how Long did it take them to cross the field anyway? Must have been hellish! 

to take Crecy as an example it took roughly 40 seconds in trials. Armour was poorer in terms of quality than that of
Agincourt of course. 

I suppose they could have had the majority kitted out with shields but how effective is a shield at stopping an arrow?

At medium to long (due to the effect of gravity) and short range they would be dead even with a shield, the sheer volume of arrows would cause a number of incapacitating wounds.

Darrell.

[Patrice]

The question does not really fit the period . These knights could not think to go to battle without their amour, even if the king had ordered so (and he wouldn't have).

The duke of Brittany had his own idea about speed of movement: for diplomatical reasons he had agreed to come and help the French king... but he managed to arrive at Agincourt after the battle. 

[Atheling]

The question does not really fit the period . These knights could not think to go to battle without their amour, even if the king had ordered so (and he wouldn't have).

Agreed. It is a 'wild card' "What if" scenario.....

The duke of Brittany had his own idea about speed of movement: for diplomatical reasons he had agreed to come and help the French king... but he managed to arrive at Agincourt after the battle. 

.....and he wasn't the first of the last Duke of Brittany to do so..... there was also the Duke of Brittany prior to Montlhery at a later date (and many other examples).

Darrell.

[Paul]

The question does not really fit the period . These knights could not think to go to battle without their amour, even if the king had ordered so (and he wouldn't have).

Exactly.. :)and that´s why the Headline from leeds UNI saying

The French may have had a better chance at the Battle of Agincourt had they not been weighed down by heavy body armour, say researchers

Mind you..their sttement isn´t suprising with some of the speculative cr*p  a lot of uni´s come out with these days to Support extending thier funding for grants to Research the bleedin obvious.... I´m thinking of starting one up...medieval horses would have moved much more quickly without thier riders....3 year Research grant no probs.

[Atheling]

I´m thinking of starting one up...medieval horses would have moved much more quickly without thier riders....3 year Research grant no probs.

 

Funny but you do have a good point.

 

Darrell.

[janner]

It would be interesting to see examples from this period of troops leaving off protection before going on patrol, for example.

From my own period of research, one reads of Richard I leading the amphibious assault on Jaffa without leg armour. The chronicler puts it down to him seizing the moment, but the old soldier in me puts it down to him having the good sense to reduce the risk of drowning  

[tomrommel1]

My brother went to the medieval fair in Telgte Germany and send me some pictures. If you want to see more for painting or conversion inspiration go here:
https://wargamesgazette.wordpress.com/inspiration/

[Atheling]

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Was ist das???  

Darrell.

[tomrommel1]

looks like a spell caster from frostgrave to me

[Atheling]

looks like a spell caster from frostgrave to me

Frost what? 

Darrell.