The LAF Games Workshop Discussion Thread

[Blofeld]

GW are acting even stranger than usual, Beasts of War were reporting a few days ago that they were selling a few copies of the old Warhammer rule book and a few end-times rule books over at Black Library, nothing would surprise me these days but these rumours seem extensive if they are false...
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Blofeld

[mcfonz]

I hope not. My hobby budget is funded by selling old mostly SG figures on eBay, and "get them before they're available again" doesn't sound so snappy, sales wise!

I remember seeing someone complain about something like this before. I think someone bought up some really old moulds and put the miniatures back into production after getting some new masters done. They complained that it had devalued their miniatures. I really want to feel sympathetic but I really can't.

My necromunda models will never be sold, I loved the game and I have the original Orlock gang (although not every model they released for them) as well as Goliaths, Ratskins, Redemptionists and a couple of others I think. I was gutted when they re-sculpted them and saw the quality massively reduced.

The only gang I have seen since then that has really hit me in the same way are the Heresy Trenchcoats, which is why I have bought a few of those!

[beefcake]

Yeah, I can't see myself selling off any of my Munda stuff. Great to hear news has been somewhat confirmed, unless its a worldwide GW conspiracy to p!$$ people off

[Kitsune]

Even if they do revive specialist games, the ship has long sailed for me. Other companies do it better, even if I do still like the originals.

[Belgian]

Confirmed on the GW app according to print screens on Twitter. Naming necromunda, blood bowl, epic and battlefleet gothic. No mention of mordheim though at first glance.

[Dentatus]

I'm kinda with Kitsune here. I thoroughly enjoyed Necromunda - back in the day. I'll certainly investigate new figs or updated rules, but repackaged same old, same old is nothing to jump up and down over. TBH, I'm more excited about Osprey's Rogue Star.

[Chico]

GW has long lost me as a paying customer for it main stream lines by pricing me out, now I'm rather excited by this announcement..

Well I was till I realised I no doubt still be priced out of the SG lines anyway, still it'll be interesting to see where this goes

[Vermis]

I just have a bad feeling about this. There's a good proliferation of new games going on, with the 'death' of SGs cited as a factor; but now I think it's going to harder for them when lots are already running back to GW with cries of 'ooh me wallet' and 'I never liked those others anyway'.

And then GW is going to foul it up somehow. Which is one bright spot, perhaps.

[Gibby]

I will reserve judgement til we know more, but these great games being supported again should be brilliant and I am quietly excited.

[Derek H]

Official now.  They've announced it on the Warhammer App.  (yellow highlighting was done by me).

[grant]

Wow. Desperate times. Give customers what they want at prices no one can afford. That's assuming the prices will ... nah. GW will make it awful, they have to. They're GW!

[Dim_Reaper]

Just note what it says on that App Message: Stand Alone Sets.

So these will basically be a high def board game with about 20-30 miniatures a piece, probably no more than two factions, maybe 4 and that's pretty much pushing it. So they'll be one-off limited controled releases, like Space Hulk, Dreadfleet, and Execution Force.

I'm writing this off as an exercise in IP renewal and a cash-in on a gimmick at the same time. I have no doubt the miniatures will be nice, but there's a big if over whether the games will be any good. I highly doubt that any of them will be vaguely comparable to the great games they're based on.

I have a number of concerns, no least because I see this as an IP renewal as I mentioned. My primary worry is that GW Legal gets the clout of the games' IPs "being used" as justification for purges of anything vaguely similar on the market, and C&Ds on great communities like Yaktribe.

Anyway, isn't this a few too many games for a "Miniatures Company"?

[Rhoderic]

The Stand Alone Sets bit does not sound encouraging. What would that mean for Necromunda, for instance? Would it be revived only as a boardgame of, say, Orlocks vs Goliaths? No hope for other gangs being re-released?

Of course, I'm not interested in playing the SGs the way they want me to play them. I'd just get the figures I want and do my own thing with them. So I'm not their target audience. The question for me is simply, what can I scavenge off of this whole ballyhoo?

[Vermis]

these great games being supported again should be brilliant

To be honest the notion of GW's support gets my goat as well. Yeah, it should be brilliant. But I've told people, long before this announcement, that they're already 'supported' - just not by GW. Dim Reaper mentions Yaktribe. I've watched folk at the Tactical Command forum, and to an extent the Conclave and Specialist Arms forums, pick up the 'living rulebook' downloads for other SGS - Epic: A, Inquisitor and Warmaster; keep them up and available; even find tune them and write lists for them to a pretty disciplined degree.

Minis are more problematic, but I've seen five businesses pop up: fans providing 6mm sci-fi proxies since Epic was dumped, gradually building up a decent catalogue with what they were limited to; not to mention Shapeways shops for minis and conversion parts, and private creations. Have you heard the story of when a guy turned up on the TacComm forum with almost spot-on range of 6mm Necrons that he'd sculpted, that forum members persuaded him should be offered to FW via a contact on the forum, and that ended up as 'Edenites' in the Exodus Wars range? FW didn't want 'em, and GW didn't care that Steel Crown sold Necrons in all but name. It all ended up done by fans, for fans.

Overall, I've watched fans pick up the SGs from where GW dropped them, watched the fans support them and make them their own. It wasn't good enough for folk who didn't like their games without an official stamp, who thought that only GW was capable or deserving of providing support; but I thought it was an almost heroic effort - is an almost heroic effort - and I honestly regret not doing something about it myself.

At the moment I think too much time and water has passed, making Dim's prediction too plausible for comfort: a reason to get a few cash injections (I hear AoS is not doing as well as hoped) and bring the IP hammer down on a bunch of little guys. And another sad thing is that a lot of old SG fans won't care, because they're getting their officially-stamped one-off box sets.

If this turns out good for any 'little guys', it's the ebay scalpers.

[grant]

At the moment I think too much time and water has passed, making Dim's prediction too plausible for comfort: a reason to get a few cash injections (I hear AoS is not doing as well as hoped) and bring the IP hammer down on a bunch of little guys. And another sad thing is that a lot of old SG fans won't care, because they're getting their officially-stamped one-off box sets.

If this turns out good for any 'little guys', it's the ebay scalpers.

Pretty much all of this. Too late, but it'll be a quick cash grab, IP reset, eBay will lose its fucking mind (if it hasn't already).