The LAF Games Workshop Discussion Thread

[Duncan McDane]

I know Statesque, it's on my to buy list and like I said, I'm happily proven wrong.  
The best digisculpts I'vee seen and felt up to now are the Prodos Load Legends, great designs, the material is excellent, the castings clean and very crisp but they compensate in their designs for the material. The Warzone KS I skipped, because I didn't like the designs ( and I spend too much each month already on the hobby... ). Will see it in time at Brax', though...
But take e.g. the production resins for Mythic Battles and before Conan and see the difference between digi and hand... You cannot truly say the digistuff is of equal quality with the old fashionedhandiwork...
But, in the end, it is my hobby budget and if I like a model enough I'll buy it, whether it's a digisculpt, a handsculpt, a plastic, metal or resin one...

[Tactalvanic]

I am happy with GW's  current progress, and even with their stylistic choices. They seem to be improving in attitude compared to many years that have passed, and that's a positive.

Their lotr is very much related to the movies, that's great and if that suits the needs of some ( I have a few for certain things - goblins mainly for weedy mass gangs of skaven slave fodder).

Its different again to Mithril range - there are some good and bad in there, but that aside I am happy they are available to.

My point being the miniature market currently seems to be alive with stuff. new stuff, old stuff, new stuff looking like old stuff even.

Whatever flavour I want there is likely something to suit. Do I want a dust up between some metal magic, 40k, Aliens, judge dredd and WWWII?

Sure go for it if you can afford them.

In essence I would rather GW stuck to what they are doing, and hey some of it I might pitch in and buy, even at their prices. But I like where they hopefully are going currently - somewhere positive after such a long time of negative - I am happy they keep going there, and don't mess up everything everyone else is putting out!

I don't really see anything "generic", just of a particular "style" sometimes related even to a particular "period", 80s, 90s, whatever. I like the diversity we are getting, and I want to keep it that way, so if a particular style grabs me, I can have some of that, and then maybe change to something else if that picks my fantasy.

I like that we have so much choice available.

[Elbows]

I think GW has made their decision quite a while ago.  It appears they have little to no interest in enlarging their market of consumers by producing generic miniatures, as their style is increasingly different (and hugely divisive).  So they've obviously decided they don't want to make kits for people to use outside of their game - they must assume they have a large enough market share and a rabid enough consumer base (and it appears they probably do) to skip the rest of the market.  They already took the unfortunate step a bit ago to go down the "no rules without a model" approach because of concern over alternate companies or 3rd party suppliers.

Do I think GW could drastically increase their sales with more generic miniatures?  Absolutely.  It appears they don't wish to go that route, so be it.

[Cubs]

Pity the Perry twins don't do fantasy any more. Given the quality and style of their work for Citadel back in the day, and their expertise in making good plastic sets that retain much of the realistic poses of metals, a plastic boxed set of the 'beastly humanoids' with various head options would be lovely.

[Braxandur]

The Warzone KS I skipped, because I didn't like the designs ( and I spend too much each month already on the hobby... ). Will see it in time at Brax', though...

I guess you mean Siege of the Citadel... The Warzone have already been gathering dust for quite some time 

[nic-e]

GWs official response to PETA has been put up!

https://regimental-standard.com/2017/02/08/fur-the-emperor/

It is everything I had hoped it would be.

[Dr Mathias]

GWs official response to PETA has been put up!

https://regimental-standard.com/2017/02/08/fur-the-emperor/

It is everything I had hoped it would be.

Wow. Damn, I think I love new GW.

[Andrew May]

Yep, spot on. 

[Momotaro]

GW made fairly generic Fantasy models until a couple of years ago.  The problem was, nobody was buying them any more.  And they've not been interested in making models for other people's games since 1986.

Could they sell more?  Double the range, double the income?  Probably not, and certainly not just on the basis of us old forum farts *who would buy a box each.  If they're lucky - half of us would say "that's not what I want an orc to look like".  But they've doubled the production, stock, shipping and handling costs.  Their shops already can't stock the entire range.

This isn't just about IP, the new style of models uses their 3D sculpting and injection moulding to the max.  GW have made a market niche for themselves that no other company can even break into - skinny, dynamic kits, whirling magical energies (hey, I didn't say I liked everything about them), giant monsters, mechs and vehicles in styrene.  Why fight for scraps in the generic gaming market?  Never sell low when you can sell high, there's always another guy who can beat you on cost and volume.  We forget that GW is smaller than ANY of Hasbro's brands.

if you want orcs, GW make about half a dozen types for LotR, and another half dozen for LotR.  Mantic make them in plastic, so do Shieldwolf, and Reaper, even eM-4.  Want them in metal - there are dozens of ranges from the 70s, 80s all the way up to the present. Ral Partha, Tom Meier, Scotia Grendel (the old Harlequin LotR range minus insignia), Asgard, Denizen, Mirliton - those are just some of my favourites.

Want a Tzaangor?  You have to go to GW.

* I speak only for myself when I use the description "old fart" 

[Andrew May]

What he said ^^^

Top post. 

[Gibby]

Agreed. Well said!

[Momotaro]

The fiver's in the post chaps... 

[nic-e]

GW made fairly generic Fantasy models until a couple of years ago.  The problem was, nobody was buying them any more.  And they've not been interested in making models for other people's games since 1986.

Could they sell more?  Double the range, double the income?  Probably not, and certainly not just on the basis of us old forum farts *who would buy a box each.  If they're lucky - half of us would say "that's not what I want an orc to look like".  But they've doubled the production, stock, shipping and handling costs.  Their shops already can't stock the entire range.

This isn't just about IP, the new style of models uses their 3D sculpting and injection moulding to the max.  GW have made a market niche for themselves that no other company can even break into - skinny, dynamic kits, whirling magical energies (hey, I didn't say I liked everything about them), giant monsters, mechs and vehicles in styrene.  Why fight for scraps in the generic gaming market?  Never sell low when you can sell high, there's always another guy who can beat you on cost and volume.  We forget that GW is smaller than ANY of Hasbro's brands.

if you want orcs, GW make about half a dozen types for LotR, and another half dozen for LotR.  Mantic make them in plastic, so do Shieldwolf, and Reaper, even eM-4.  Want them in metal - there are dozens of ranges from the 70s, 80s all the way up to the present. Ral Partha, Tom Meier, Scotia Grendel (the old Harlequin LotR range minus insignia), Asgard, Denizen, Mirliton - those are just some of my favourites.

Want a Tzaangor?  You have to go to GW.

* I speak only for myself when I use the description "old fart" 

You've said it far better than i could. That's what i meant by not underselling themsleves.

[Ray Rivers]

Bye the bye....

If you have been using the GW metal paints, especially the gold, I have a recommendation for the highlight.

Some use Liberator Gold (as I have on my Stormcast) or if you want a reallly flashing highlight to use silver.

Recently I tried out Sycorax Bronze on my old school Sisters of Battle I'm repainting. This Bronze color actually is an amazingly good highlight for gold armor. The recipe I have used on them was undercoat with Retributor Armour, wash with Reikland Fleshshade, repaint the raised areas with Retributor Armour and then highlight with Sycorax Bronze.

The highlight really jumps out and gives a very nice "shiny" gold armor look.

[Andrew Rae]

I'll have to try that. I'm needing to order some paint so I'll add the bronze to the order.

I've noticed a few of the GW painting guides suggest highlighting Retributor Armour with Liberator Gold, but they're totally different gold colours. I just went with adding a bit of silver to the mix for highlights.

Retributor Armour is such a good gold though, I've used it to speed paint some of my Silver Tower tzeentch all metallic and it's so lovely and shiney!

Edit:

SO SHINEY! Kinda wish I'd done them all in Retributor Armour but the other colours help to identify the different figures.